Brunell: Jared Goff's Arm Talent 'Best I've Ever Been Around'

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I’m not bashing the guy. I’m just being honest. There’s a difference between the two. Just because I say he has average arm strength, or isn’t a gunslinger doesn’t mean I’m even criticizing. See, that’s when some of you guys take things a little too much when I say anything about the guy.

I can nitpick the guy, and have, but I won’t anymore (until, or if he deserves it) cause it causes too much chaos around here.

Then what gets ignored is how I said “he can make all the throws”. Should I just say he has a cannon for an arm, or anything else that isn’t true like he’s some elusive runner, or he’s hard to bring down like a big Ben Roethlisberger just to appease you guys?

A gunslinger to me is like Bret Favre. A guy who can throw a 40 yard bullet.

You guys are showing Goff throw 50 yard passes. So? That’s most NFL QB’s. Or should be. Tom Brady was no gunslinger, but he threw it deep. He had average arm strength. I’d say the same for Joe Burrow. Or a lot of the better QB’s in the league.

No one needs to have a Matthew Stafford arm. Goff is a mid-range safe guy. That’s just truth. I’m also not saying the guy doesn’t make some great throws, or good deep throws, or tight window throws… he does. I’m not saying he can’t. Like I said before, he can make all the throws.

Brunell saying he’s got the best arm talent is great. What else is your QB coach going to say? But thats really pushing it…lol.

Anyway, if you guys want to take any of this as a Goff bash that’s on you. Its not.

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You said alot of words, but all that came out is that you are HONEST in the fact that you don’t know what you are seeing. Therefore, noone should HONESTLY take your opinion seriously. Many people don’t. After your posts in this thread, that number has grown.

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What’s interesting with most your responses to people’s responses to a post of yours is you seem to get pretty flustered with any post that simply disagrees. Even solid reasonable, non-confrontational posts

There was nothing ‘chaotic’ about any of the responses to you. Peabodys post is a solid, metered well-reasoned response. Thats literally the opposite of ‘chaotic’

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I mean, is any of this really necessary? I wasn’t saying anything was chaotic in this thread, but it has been in the past which is why I won’t go deeper into this. But based on everything I just quoted, yeah, I’d say you guys make this a little chaotic. Peabody’s quote is even insulting. Yeah, dude. I’m just being honest.

You guys don’t let shit go, and let a guy have an opinion. Personally, I don’t see how anyone can disagree with the things I’m saying, but to each their own.

Is Jared Goff a “gunslinger”? He absolutely is not. Does he have some cannon of an arm? Well, I think he has average arm strength, and again I think he can make all the throws, but no. He’s a mid-range safe QB.

That’s all there is to it. Like my opinion, or hate it, block me, or not, take my posts seriously, or don’t. It’s cool.

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I forgot about that narrative.

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You’re completely welcome to it. All I said is that people who doubt his long ball don’t seem to realize that he isn’t in a QB competition at the Pro Bowl. He isn’t throwing it 70 because he doesn’t have to. He’s aiming at his receiver, not a yard marker. And he does a pretty damn good job at that.

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You pretty clearly said when you state your opinion it causes too much chaos.

I’m saying it really doesn’t. People are equally entitled to responding with their opinion as you are to stating yours

that’s not really chaos. That’s just discussion.

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AND not alll opinions are created equal.

For example, CN’s assertion that Goff has an average NFL QB arm in terms of strength isn’t supported nearly as well as the “opinion” that he has above-average arm strength. My evidence: he has one of the highest-velocity throws recorded at the NFL combine since 2008 (58 mph, one mph faster than Carson Wentz the same year, Wentz being universally recognized as strong-armed) and he has two of the top-15 longest (air yard) completions in the NFL since 2016.

Velocity = arm strength.

What’s CN’s evidence for his opinion?

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I have Goff #2 all time behind Bobby Layne.

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I totally get what you are saying and this same type of drama goes on with every QB that is debated….especially a Lions QB. I remember lurking on boards and seeing this same type of debate with Joey Harrington. Joey had an above average arm….his haters called him noodle-arm, and the debate was you need a gun like Brett Favre. Fast forward to the present and now we have Jared Goff, again and above average arm, but now you don’t need a gun like Favre. IMO Goff’s arm is the same as Joe Montana’s….whatever scale anyone wants to weigh it on is up to them but that’s the way I see it. You stated your opinion, I saw nothing wrong with it and personally I don’t think it needs to be debated. The guy just won a division title and two playoff games with that arm. I’ll take that! :100:

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Harrington had above average arm strength?

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IMO he did

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He also has opinions like “the 2023 draft was the worst in Lions history and deserves an F grade.”

“Gibbs will contribute as much as Theo Riddick.”

“Brian Branch was a stupid pick that won’t see the field. He will be serving Gatorade.”

“Sam LaPorta was a reach and wasn’t even the best TE available when we picked.”

“You all have lost every debate against me. I can’t help it that I am good at football. Did you also hate the kid in class that was good at math?”

“Jack Campbell is the only pick I liked and I almost thought about giving Brad a better grade for making that move.” Then a few months later his opinion is “Brad, what the F were you thinking when you drafted Jack Campbell? Anzalone is solid and we already had Rodrigo. WTF?”

“Maybe I am the only one that has the balls to say it. Brad sucks.”

“The Lions need to package #6 and #18 to trade up and get a QB. Then trade Goff, cause that guy ain’t got it. There is no way he can keep playing good football. Last year was a fluke.”

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That’s a whole heap of wrong. :joy:

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Only thing I don’t really see with Goff is “quick release.” I view him as a wind up QB. He can generate velocity, but he can’t generate it like others can as quickly. He also tends to keep the ball too low in his drops which occasionally leaves it more exposed. This adds to the wind up delivery as opposed to someone who drops with the ball held up higher at the shoulder pads.

But no matter, because he gets it done. I have a ton of confidence when I see Goff drop back and throw the ball when not under high duress, that it’s a completion. As a 51 year Lions fan, I have an extreme appreciation of this…

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Thanks for this.

And as anyone can see based on all these responses especially the last ones, yeah you guys make things chaotic. You guys definitely take things too far. I’ll drop my mic. How dare I say Goff has average arm strength and isn’t a gunslinger?

It’s so weird to. My last reply should have sufficed, but you guys go that extra mile. It’s weird also because I’m not bashing Goff. Like I said before, Tom Brady wasn’t a gunslinger. I don’t consider Joe Burrow one either. No one needs a Matthew Stafford arm. Goff can make all the throws.

Nope, Goff has a cannon for an arm and thats that. F-it, he also runs a 4.3.

Everyone on here knows that if you have a hair of criticism of jared Goff, even when it’s valid, or not even criticism, you better duck. I’m just the only guy who won’t get bullied over it.

i mean REALLY, I wasn’t even bashing him…lol.

As far as quoting me… well, talk about taking things too far, and talk about a drama queen. Yeah i have my moments of passion like everyone else. I had mixed emotions. A lot of what i said it’s just frustration, and honestly, just being silly. We all do it. Everyone here is guilty of it. Especially if you’re as old as I am watching this team for decades be the worst franchise in sports. Also, these quotes are so out of context. That’s seriously a low blow, but like I said… thats what u guys do.

But I will say I was the guy who preached RB. It was for Bijan Robinson. Everyone trashed me. I was the guy that preached MLB. Everyone trashed me. Someone even posting a fake text message showing BH saying he’d never take a LB in the 1st. And I preached TE, and got trashed for that too. NO this team is better without one. Why trade Hockinson.

The trash i got for this was why I left before. Then Brad drafts RB, LB, and TE in that order. Then I came back to boast on the guys who trashed me, but of course people were still being a-holes which I expected nothing less.

I know football. My opinions are great. But like I said before, like them or dont… it’s cool.

FYI, Harrington did have decent arm strength. It was Jeff Garcia throwing moonballs.

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Dude, you’re walking on thin ice…lol. I agree with you tho. Your opinion is very valid. And it doesn’t mean you’re bashing the guy. He’s got his weaknesses.

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Granted, I’ve been day drinking, but these can’t be real posts?

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According the the Advanced Stats splits he was tied for third fastest release in the league. The Oline is great but he was one of the most blitzed QBs in the league, saw a lot of pressures but didn’t take many sacks

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