You talked about RB…and trashed Gibbs. You talked about LB…and trashed Campbell. You talked about TE…and trashed LaPorta.
This is absolutely true. But the difference is YOU make statements like this:
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I’m still not seeing ‘chaos’ Im seeing people disagreeing with you and pointing out when your other opinions were very misled
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This is a classic off season post. Started out discussing Goff and ended up bashing a fellow Den poster 
With all this said.
Goff has average to top half arm strength (velocity IMO). He has top 5 accuracy and vision. I mean Stafford is a freak, Herbert is a freak. Goff is a great QB. His only gap is his ability to run fast. Otherwise I am not sure where is fails. The stats show he has a quick release, great vision, and is savvy (manipulate defenses).
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When a person doesn’t use facts and reason to form an opinion, you can’t use facts and reason to change their mind.
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Time from snap to throw isn’t a measurement of release. Not in the sense of someone describing his release as “quick” or contrasted by “long wind-up”. So is the stat that you mention a measurement of his throwing motion or the typical TTT Time To Throw?
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True, there’s not a wind up time metric that I’m aware of per se
But when you consider his time from snap to release was 2.3 seconds, faster than the NFL average and saw the 9th most pressures while throwing 4500 yards and 67% completions; the available data strongly implies a a faster than average release.
and looking at him throw backs that up. The ball comes out quick from a compact over the shoulder motion. Not a lot of wasted movement. You can go back to all the scouting reports and analysis over the years and a tight quick release has always been listed as a strength
I’d be interested in seeing when they hit the start and stop button on that one. Watch the tape and see what you think. Doesn’t mean he can’t get it done, just saying there is a difference between elite release QBs, and Goff. At least to my eyes considering where he starts his throwing motion on most snaps.
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This speaks to his anticipation, and the fact that Goff tends to know where he is going to go pre-snap and by gummm, that is where he’s throwing it. He still is a wind up guy so to focus on speed of release, you have to start the clock at the start of the throwing motion, which with Goff is often at his stomach and ball gone. I do go back to “doesn’t matter” most of the time, because he is right that guy X will be open, when and where he expects it and throws it to that spot successfully. As to the physical trait, give me a guy like Stafford.
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I think people’s eye tests usually do little more than confirm pre-conceived notions.
My point still stands that nearly every if not every scouting report of Goff mentioned quick compact efficient release as a positive. And a QB with a slow release and faces that many pressures will likely have more sacks
I also didn’t say he had ‘elite’ release speed. But I think it’s faster than average. And certainly ‘quick’
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I’ve seen JG throw enough deep outs dimes (DB wtf moment what just happened) I don’t even listen to naysayers cuz honestly, they tend to be parrots
Dude, you really need to update the picker wheel, its that or harass demon 
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Ha! Maybe both. I do need to update the diss wheel. Slow release is a new wedge
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Its only chaos to him because he says he’s being “honest” but then gets backlash and called-out because what he’s stating is incorrect.
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There is definitely a metric for release time. It used to be easy to find on the web, but now its become part of a premium package that you have to pay to see. But I’m sure if someone looks hard enough they can find a free version of it. They measure the time from the moment a QB takes his left hand off of the ball to the time the ball is completely separated from the throwing hand.
Nearly every QB seems to pat or squeeze the ball to start their throwing motion. Here is Matty pulling his left hand off of the ball. But its not the start of his throwing motion. He is going to pat the ball and that starts his throwing motion.
This is the point in which the clock starts on “release time,” as his left hand disengages from the ball.
This is Matt in the middle of his throwing motion, to see what it looks like.
And here is Matt further along in the throw. I can’t show the moment the ball leaves his hand because its too blurry.
Here is Jared on a similar throw.
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Good post. I googled for about an hour before posting that and couldn’t find anything for the NFL. Plenty for the college prospects
Having watched Goff up close along with other NFL QBs, he’s not slow and not fast either. Rodgers was way faster with minimal motion needed.
Keep in mind that there are different types of throws. A quick dump to a RB, a floating wheel route, and line drive deep out are 3 very different types of throws requiring different motions.
We’ve talked about how Goff doesn’t have as much pure “Arm Strength” as Rodgers or Stafford. He can’t generate as much velocity when he doesn’t have a full winding motion or able to plant and put his core into it like a pitcher.
When he does have his full motion in there, he has as much power and velocity as all but the very strongest. His long lanky body and arms allow for more leverage with more motion.
Rodgers and Stafford can just flick it quickly and even side arm in a way that Goff can but rare does and doesn’t do it with the same velocity.
I don’t think Goff is one of the strongest QBs but his Arm talent is in his ability to adjust to the type of throw and do it with touch and precision that is top of the league.
Where I think Goff gets in trouble sometimes is the pocket gets messy and the throw he wants to make isn’t there and the one he has to make quickly is not really setup for him so the results and performance drop. This is the “off platform” we always discuss.
A QB I was always impressed by in this specific situation is Russell Wilson. When the play breaks down and he is scrambling, he still has the eyes and pure arm to launch it deep to guys like Locket and Metkalf. That ability kept him in the top of the league for a good while.
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I realize this wasn’t your point, but you brought up Wilson. We have had this conversation before. The things that hurt him in Denver were an extension of what was going on in Seattle. They were just able to cover up for him there. They finally reached a point where they cut him loose and moved on. Russell’s main issues are Goff’s strengths. Reading the defense. Seeing the field. Making quick decisions. Getting the ball out of his hands. Alot of times when Russell was running around, the play didn’t “break down.” He just didn’t pull the trigger when he should have. So now he is stuck running around until it becomes backyard football.
I posted the Wilson snapshots before. But now I will post a similar Jared Goff play, to show the difference. I said previously that the 2nd snapshot is when guys like Jared Goff and CJ Stroud would have let the ball go. Wilson is scared to pull the trigger. Then when the guy is obviously uncovered, Wilson is too busy going into a shell because he THINKS pressure is there. It was all in his imagination. Then he drops even deeper, and still doesn’t see the open receiver. The as the guy comes to a complete stop and is clapping his hands directly in front of Wilson, he throws it to him. Below that I posted pics of Goff in a similar situation. Goff anticipates the open man. LaPorta hasn’t made his break and Goff is already in his throwing motion. Then he places a perfect ball where only our guy can get it.
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You are far from the only one dude. Same thing for Holmes/DC. There does seem to be a highly defensive nature from some that you either are all in and ball wash every move and trait or you are a treasonous moron. Welp. Not me. I have called balls and strikes based on what I see for over a decade here. Not going to stop now. You can be a great NFL franchise QB and lack a quote “quick release.” That’s what we have and I am absolutely peachy with it. If a rankings site doesn’t count the wind up portion of a throw and only start their “release timer” once the arm is coming forward, then yep it is possible Goff is the third best. But starting his throw from his belly often does not get the ball out at an elite level. He has a wind up but because his pre-snap reads are so good, it rarely gets him into trouble.
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The timing of a release is from when the left hand officially comes off of the ball.
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I think what’s getting lost here is the difference between discussing an issue collegially versus the perception that any counter points or differing opinions is tantamount to ‘bullying’
Ninja makes these posts, then when people disagree, even politely and with solid content, he quickly takes the victim role, declares that it’s chaos, complains that he’s taking fire, whines that people won’t allow him to have an opinion, then almost always passive-aggressively says he won’t say anything else about it.
Rinse repeat
I usually disagree with him. And I simply disagree with you and the notion that Goff has a ‘slow’ release. I don’t think it’s ‘elite’. But it’s fast and effecient. You can look up his old draft profiles. They all mention a quick compact release as a positive. I can’t find the specific updated metric but if someone does, I’d wager Goff is above average.
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