I can’t understand the obsession with cutting Chase.
Blough can be back up. We are not winning squat this year anyway
Or we could take a shot on someone in the mid rounds.
Me either. Especially if they draft a developmental QB. Chase can help in the classroom.
I understand regretting the signing, especially when it was Stafford behind center. I was among many who wasn’t a fan of this signing from the jump. A fair bit of money for an extremely limited backup.
That being said, his contract is not cut-friendly from an economics standpoint. And, his history and ability in the QB room is going to be more important with a younger guy like Goff.
I think the issue is that people saw Daniels suck on the field and just have the knee-jerk reaction of “cut him!” It’s emotional, not logical.
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Yes
If people want to dump Daniels for someone like Taylor, I’m okay with that. Financially it doesn’t necessarily make sense…but I get it. But some people want to bring in some rookie to take that spot. I definitely disagree. I think the formula that should be used is clear. Goff is the starter, the gameday backup should be a veteran who’s been around for a while and then a kid behind them at 3rd string developing.
When you see a player that sucks on the field, for the position they are being overpaid to play as a backup, and it’s somehow illogical to cut them? 
Yep. That sounds exactly like the logic of a 5-11 team. There’s not much discerning evidence as to what he brings to the quarterback room. Did Trubisky benefit from his presence, was there a drop-off in his play when he left? What’s the yardstick?
This is why we hired Brunell. I believe Daniel should be cut if they can find a viable replacement, but not before. I’d rather avoid carrying dead money onto next years cap, which is exactly what delaying this decision does.
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By the numbers for Chase…
- $6,861,833 per game started
- $4,901,309 per touchdown thrown
- $230,263 per pass completion
- $157,381 per pass attempt
Sign Jordan Ta’amu off KC’s practice squad. He gives you the guy who can scramble and move around in the pocket, we don’t have one right now.
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I’m fine with cutting Daniels if they take a QB in this draft. At that point it’s more about roster space than money, and Blough can be the 3rd QB while remaining on the practice squad.
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Me either. Especially if they draft a developmental QB. Chase can help in the classroom.
A few things to consider:
#1 - “Only” $2.3 million.
The Lions are not going to make the playoffs in 2021. Even if anyone has rose colored glasses, I can’t imagine anyone thinks this team is gonna win a playoff game with the current roster.
Therefore, the plan should be to eliminate any unnecessary spending against the salary cap to allow for that money to roll over to 2022 and possibly beyond when the Lions may actually compete.
This is part of managing the salary cap that does not get a lot of attention, because most coaches and GMs feel pressured to try to win games right away. Teams don’t “lose” the money not spent in the current year. It carries forward.
I would rather carry that $2.3 million forward on the cap to spend later when they actually have a chance to win.
#2 - Players get paid to play. Coaches get paid to coach.
I have never understood the “backup QB can teach the starter” philosophy.
For starters, teams can pay all the money they want for coaches, so the Lions would be better off to hire an assistant QB coach (or 2 of them even) rather than waste cap space on a “tutor” for the QB room.
Josh McCown is a great example. Here is quote from a story on QB mentors:
"“The guys in that room can add to a quarterback’s growth and support,” says Josh McCown, one of the NFL’s most legendary QB mentors"
[Life in an NFL QB Room | Bleacher Report | Latest News, Videos and Highlights](Life in an NFL QB Room | News, Scores, Highlights, Stats, and Rumors | Bleacher Report)
Josh McCown has been a “mentor” to Carson Wentz, Sam Darnold, Johnny Manziel, RG3, Mike Glennon, Jay Cutler, and JaMarcus Russell in the past 15 years.
Chase Daniel has thrown 261 TOTAL career passes in 11 seasons.
McCown threw > 261 passes in in a season – on 5 different occasions (plus 224 in another).
Sign a guy like Bruce Gradkowski, Derek Anderson, Drew Stanton or some other recently retired backup QB to be an assistant QB coach… and save the cap space.
#3 - Why waste a roster spot on a guy that is 34yo and has no potential to help win games that matter?
Sign a young QB that could potentially develop into a productive player.
It might be a long shot, but 34 yo Chase Daniel does not have the talent to win NFL games against decent NFL teams. That will never change.
The Lions won’t be competitive in 2021. Probably not even in 2022.
Chase Daniel will be 36yo and a free agent after 2022.
Cut him now, roll the cap space forward.
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That’s like a Who’s Who list of stank I wouldn’t touch with a ten foot pole!!! This is like the Bad Santa list of mentorship! 
Did he counsel Ryan Leaf as well?
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Backup QB for 2021 is the least of the Lions problems.
There are other much higher priorities in cleaning up this roster.
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There’s two major flaws in your argument.
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The Lions plan should be to get better. Having a veteran backup on the team will help your team prepare each week in practice. He will help in film study. Etc
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Cutting him means you have to replace him. You won’t find a veteran for much less than the 2.3 mil you saved. So your plan is what? To carry two inexperienced backups? When it’s all said and done your saving will likely only be 1.5 or less. (Because you have to pay someone else) for that little of money I want the veteran that can help us get better and improve.
This is why your argument is flawed. Your failing to understand his actual value and the cost to replace him.
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I thought people meant like with a shiv. I’m which case I can see it.
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All the guys he mentored suck, lol. What does that say about his mentorship skills!?
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cut chase–go with bloug as back up ???
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There’s two major flaws in your argument.
- The Lions plan should be to get better. Having a veteran backup on the team will help your team prepare each week in practice. He will help in film study. Etc
- Cutting him means you have to replace him. You won’t find a veteran for much less than the 2.3 mil you saved. So your plan is what? To carry two inexperienced backups? When it’s all said and done your saving will likely only be 1.5 or less. (Because you have to pay someone else) for that little of money I want the veteran that can help us get better and improve.
This is why your argument is flawed. Your failing to understand his actual value and the cost to replace him.
There is no evidence to say that is flawed.
#1 – You again mention the “help with film study” narrative.
Do Mahomes, Rodgers, Brady, Brees, etc need to credit a backup QB for their success?
Did Josh Allen get better rapidly because Matt Barkley was there in the QB room?
Did Justin Herbert have success as a rookie because Tyrod Taylor was on the team?
Goff is a 4-year veteran… who has learned from McVay… and will be coached by Brunell (who actually PLAYED in 193 games). Again… Chase has thrown only 261 career passes.
I just want to see 1 bit of evidence that having a “mentor” in the QB room has actually resulted in any meaningful success for an NFL team. I’m not talking about Foles actually winning games on a talented team like the Eagles had that year. I am talking about a less talented QB helping a much more talented player with NFL experience.
#2 - Yes… I did consider that Chase Daniel needs to be replaced on the roster.
Yes… I do propose having 2 inexperienced back-up QBs in 2021.
I’ll take the $1.5 million in savings and save it for 2023 rather than wasting in 2021 on a guy that won’t win any meaningful games.
And… how is Chase Daniel going to make an impact 1 year? He certainly should NOT be on the roster in 2022 with a base salary of $5 million. He has no potential to help the Lions beyond 2021, so
I would much rather spend a late round pick on a QB that might have some athletic traits that offer even a slim chance of helping the team in 2023 or beyond. It might be same odds as a lottery ticket, but there is zero chance Chase Daniel makes any impact on the field for the Lions.
If there comes a time when the Lions have a roster that could seriously be considered playoff ready, then I could understand paying a veteran QB (or even day #2 draft pick) that could potentially win a game in the event the starter gets hurt. Until then, save the money.
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So your only going to carry one back-up QB?
In a Covid NFL. Especially with the new rules?
Your willing to save 2.3 mil dollars and Carry one backup. Then have no veteran QB to practice with the second team and scout team? Your willing to not have him on your roster or helping to break down film.
You think this is wise?