If the DL is fine. And we get all this amazing pressure.
Why are lions near dead last at 2.82s time to throw? Meaning the pressure isnt doing anything. Corners MIGHT get you a coverage sack. But a coverage sack isnt a good DL.
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I think that is 100% what is happening.
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I think both of you are correct. Historically it is what they like to do. They brought Gibbs along slowly. They brough Jamo along slowly. It is what they prefer to do.
I liked Johnson quite a bit but it sounds like he’s been getting cooked. Not surprising. SDSU to the NFL is a big step.
Also worth noting that we nailed our first round pick and will now enjoy a decade of high end bookend tackles.
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Just stop, this is getting embarrassing. a high time to throw (2.82) isn’t proof of a failing defensive line pressure, it’s actually the opposite and proof that your argument is backwards. The secondary is poor, it’s not doing well in coverage. But a high time to throw rate means the qb is being forced to hold the ball longer bc the pcoket is closing and the primary reads are being taken away. You can’t sit here (you will) and complain that the de2 is a dead body but we sit at 57 pressures and 12 sacks through 3 weeks. You are boxscore mansplaining and it is failing horrifically. The actual gameplay says something different.
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What? If the QB is holding the ball and going through progressions. That means the DBs are in there spot. And because its virtually only aiden. Side step away from aiden. Throw completion.
Time to throw means the Qb HAS time to throw.
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Let’s entertain that our DE2 is bottom 5. Our DE1 is top 5. So is the middle 1/3 group of teams with 2 Edge rushers inside that middle 1/3 better than our high low? Hell No!
Why are you yelling?
I would suggest that you try not to obsess so much over one metric. For one you have sample size. You also have roles. A designated pass rusher is going to have a significant advantage in terms of pass rush win rate bc he’s coming in on clear passing downs. Wonnum is playing a lot on early downs and therefore is playing fun first and then rushing the passer which of course severely weighs on one’s ability to win as a pass rusher. We also famously have a pass rush plan that is geared towards getting Aiden one on ones whereas other teams don’t focus as much on one particular rusher and his opportunities.
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There’s also been a ridiculous number of highlight reel catches made against us that won’t be sustained. And for those who are actually paying attention, the Lions secondary/defense isn’t getting cooked until the 2nd half. After we build a multi score lead and teams have time to adjust after the break.
It’s a scheme/coaching issue on that side of the ball. Games 1 & 3 the D played well above average in the 1st half.
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Based on what? The DBend Vibes Index? Wonnum is tied for 17th in sacks. We haven’t even seen the real Derrick Moore yet. You’re way too bearish on our Edge group.
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It’s the standard edge group who has a superstar in the unit. There are 3-5 duos that have two top 20 Guys. And even some of those aren’t as good as ours because they don’t have a Hutch.
@DBend144 go list 10 edge units that are better than ours. I bet you can’t…
On time to pressure …
My guess is Reisman is using either PFF or Sumer sports. Brett works for Fantasy Points and they have their on data business.
Also it’s important to remember that secondary action plays can skew the average as can a Hail Mary where you rush one and Geno takes five seconds to throw the ball. Not that it makes a remarkable difference but these can skew the number a couple tenths.
Also, Geno is a vet. He is going to hang in there far longer than a lot of QBs. That’s not to say the metric is meaningless. I do value it. I just think it should be viewed and evaluated with context.
People also lose perspective sometimes. I’m sure Brad and co weren’t expecting to lose ragnow, decker, Joseph and branch to career threatening or ending injuries in one calendar year. Suddenly you have to completely rebuild the offensive line and secondary. While shoring up a weak defensive line and finding depth.
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Look at the chart. Just based on having 2+ des that are above average
CIN, ATL, LVR, SFF, DEN, CAR, BUF, GBP, MIN, NEP. All with multiple Edge rushers that are above average.
Oh man, dude just stop, time to throw means the QB has time to throw’ is an incredible admission that you don’t know how tracking data works. Time to throw measures how long a QB can hold the ball before pressure or disruption forces the throw. If the pass rush was doing nothing, QBs would be releasing it in 2.2 seconds. You’re trying to spin a 3rd-ranked pressure unit (57 total) and 12 sacks into a failure just because you’re hyper-fixating on a single out-of-context stat. Stop letting box-score spreadsheets do your thinking for you
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Negative, sir.
It means nothing other than how quickly the QB is getting rid of the ball. One infers that it’s pressure-related, but that’s not necessarily the case. I remember when PFF first started tracking that… Brady led the NFL, proving how hard it was to get pressure on him.
There is only one pressure rate that I’ve seen that paints any kind of picture. It’s the “Disruptive Pressure” rate that @throwthedamball puts out on x, but only after there’s enough data to produce it.
This is all you are doing, regurgitating numbers off a chart on a site you like and not applying any context or what is actually happening on the field. I always thought you were a numbers guy but I thought you were an honest numbers guy and now that I am actually paying attention to what you are saying over and over…..you are not an honest numbers guy…..just spewing numbers and hoping people don’t care enough to catch you…..
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Trying to claim TTT tells you nothing about the pass rush is just a convenient way to ignore when your stats don’t fit. Of course it measures how fast the ball comes out……..and what forces a QB to alter that clock is pressure, pocket collapse, and coverage taking away primary reads. You can’t separate the QB’s release time from the 57 pressures and 12 sacks hunting him down.
It’s a variable that can be completely unrelated to the defense altogether.
It can show a QB who holds too long and doesn’t know how to read a defense.
It can show a QB who scrambles.
It can show a QB who’s executing the offense quickly to keep the defense off him.
Can it show that a defense is speeding up a QB? Yes, but it can also be for other reasons and not a reliable way to measure pressure.
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Especially in a 3 game sample with 2 of them being against mobile quarterbacks
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