Yep, that’s the difference. I did. Certainly as much of one as Reynolds the year before. I mean he had almost 900 yards with Jacoby freaking Brissett in 2022. I figured he could hack it as the 5/6th option here. He couldn’t 
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Unlike you though, I give credit to Brad for realizing it wasn’t working quickly and moving to fix it. Do you realize how many GMs wouldn’t have, because they hate to admit they’re wrong? Moving on within a single training camp qualifies as very quickly to me.
I just spoke to Jon. He said the plan all along was to have Josh sign with the Broncos so that Tim Patrick would get cut.
Actual footage of Brad Holmes after Patrick got cut and we signed him:
I give him credit for acting on it but I think it was an obvious issue all offseason. The Fans, media, Dan and Ben have all been talking about it all offseason.
I don’t think it was clear until TC. Making roster decisions based on off-season workouts and practices is generally rash. We all believed he had to get his timing down with Goff, something that wouldn’t happen until they could work together more. And in the end I don’t think it was the main issue anyway. The main issue was his lack of toughness, both mentally and physically.
But what kind of moves can you make early in TC? Even if Brad realized right away it wouldn’t work, you have to either wait until cut-down day or make a trade from a disadvantageous position. To me, he acted pretty much as quickly as he could have.
Since reading comprehension is a struggle, I quoted the important part of the post and bolded the keyword.
Tim Patrick is the someone who stepped up, regardless of the Lions not drafting or signing a higher dollar FA.
As I said in my post, I was wrong about who it was going to be - I thought it was going to be DPJ or Tre’Quan Smith - considering you know, they were on the roster.
I thought we would see something approximating 2022 Cleveland DPJ which would have been plenty good enough. What a strange situation he has been.
Right, very strange. I want to say maybe he doesn’t take well to the high-energy, hard-working coaching style of this staff, but if that was truly the case, I don’t think he’d still be here at all, even if it’s only on the practice squad. There’s been plenty of guys who flashed for a season before, but 900 yards with Jacoby Brissett is more than flashing to me. I doubt too many guys have done that with him. I’m just not sure where it went wrong.
Was he active last week? You would think he would at least have a package of plays he would be in…cause he doesn’t play special teams. Perhaps just insurance due to Patrick’s long injury history.
Edit…Robinson was active. Played as many snaps as Randel El did…
Wide receivers
Jameson Williams: 51 (96%)
Amon-Ra St. Brown: 47 (89%)
Tim Patrick: 21 (40%)
Kalif Raymond: 6 (11%) — 8 (28%)
Allen Robinson: 0 (0%)
I think the confusing part of your post was this…
I read it as you were comfortable with the situation because of “Tim Patrick” specifically stepping up, as if he was part of the equation all along. I guess now I see that you were saying that you were confident that “someone” would eventually step up and that person in the end just happened to be Tim Patrick.
So I can see where @TouchdownMyPants was coming from because I read it the same way and was confused as well.
That is fair and makes sense. These conversations probably read differently then they would if spoken.
To clarify: I wasn’t okay with not signing/trading/drafting a WR because Tim Patrick was going to step up. It was simply because I thought we would eventually have a guy step up. It looks like Tim Patrick is that guy. I simply thought it would be a different guy. At this point, I genuinely just believe that Brad Holmes will find the guys that will contribute. In almost every spot on the roster, we’ve had guys step in, do well, and we’re left thinking “how does Brad find these guys?”
Obviously, he doesn’t always hit homeruns and some things haven’t worked out (Moseley/Davenport/Year 1 WRs), but over the last 3 years I think he’s done a great job finding the right guy to fill holes while working within a structure that doesn’t kill our team/cap in the future.
I wanted Holmes to draft a WR in a deep WR for depth and future development.
But I understand the approach that Holmes took in addressing the WR3.
It appears that he views the position as a low resource position. It was always going to be occupied by someone on a minimum contract and little to no resources would be used to acquire the player.
It is a 20-30 snap 1-4 target per game position.
It is a starting position and has to be accounted in the personnel plan but so does the starting gunner or punt protector. I think Dan and Brad spoke about it a lot because they were constantly being asked about it.
All the players considered and utilized were on minimum deals.
Brad wanted to the guys he drafted, traded for and signed, a complete opportunity to win the position.
There would always be vets available to sign at the end of training camp. No need to panic as many fans were throughout the summer.
I like Patrick but I hope the plan is to draft a WR in 2025 for depth and development
I think DPJ may be another Brad protection project.
when Brad expends assets to acquire an asset they seem to get a long run before he quits on them.
When he traded for WR Trinity Benson that kid stayed around the roster and PS much longer than his talent warranted. I’ve talked about how he generally gives his draft picks at least 3 years somewhere on the 69 (53 +PS). I think Holmes may be the last one keeping Houston on the roster and the same could be true for DPJ.
I really don’t think cutting him then adding him late to the practice squad is an example of Brad not quitting on him. The whole league had the chance to sign him and chose not to. We also did make a huge effort to bring him back after last year and only brought him back for peanuts. I guarantee we would have brought Reynolds back instead if he had taken that same contract.
That…makes me very very uncomfortable…and now I’m breaking out my spy camera/microphone detector (TSCM tools if yer in The Biz jargon)
Brad loves his mulligans.
DPJ doesn’t pan out? Bring in TWO replacements.
Exactly. Brad aint perfect…but he loves bargains. And I fully support his approach. Paying free agents from other teams is a great way to ■■■■ yourself. He pays his own and plays moneyball in free agency.
4 years in… It’s a clear trend.
The example you use is making both of my points.
Brad isn’t expending resources for the WR3. Holmes offered a take it or leave it WR3 contract to Reynolds, while Reynolds played WR2 after Marvin quit and thought he deserved (and got) a bigger contract.
Cutting and bringing DPJ back is an example of the long run I’m referencing. The coaches are clearly disappointed in DPJ and have passed him over several times but Holmes keeps him on the roster. As you mentioned, the entire league is saying no to DPJ, yet Holmes keeps him when he had 3 other WR’s (Patrick, A-Rob and Kennedy on the PS.
I just really don’t believe that’s his motivation. I get that you do, and there’s no way for either of us to know. But I think he’s keeping DPJ solely because Rob and Patrick are new and Kennedy basically doesn’t play the same position. He’s an emergency option. It doesn’t have anything to do with the fact he traded for him imo.
Patrick looks slow AF to the eyes.
He must not be that slow but when he caought that first pass last week I thought a Tight End was running with the ball.