Itās not that I donāt like Ioane, I just think heās your typical day 2 guard thatās whose stock is being inflated due to demand. Much better athlete than I thought heād be. If we ran more outside zone (McDaniel hire?), then Iād be more into him, heās pretty good on the move and has natural eyes for zone. I saw Will Hernandez as a comp and I think thatās a good one, though of course Hernandez was a bust until recently.
I also like him as a pass blocker, really good technique, his strikes are accurate and pack plenty of punch.
But I think heās built kind of stumpy and his hips are stiff, so I donāt love his tape while engaged. Powerful and/or long DTs really give him problems. He also has a pretty bad lunging problem.
And I donāt know if thatās fixable. Maybe? But I donāt want to be the one who takes a chance on it in the 1st.
My favorite Penn State prospect this year is Zakee Wheatley.
Okay, that makes sense. I understand where you are coming from in regard to his value. Honestly, I was just basing his value on the mocks Iāve been seeing. I would be pretty happy to land him in round 2 for sure. I think a lot of what you said is something Iāve also seen, as far as some of his weaknesses, the only place I think I might depart from your view is thinking an outside zone team is his home. I think heād be pretty comfortable running duo moving guys doubling and it seems like he is pretty decent passing blocking too. Looks like a day one starter to me.
Funny you said that because Zakee is one of my draft crushes lol.
He and Voorhees are both interesting as late breakout MAC stars that transferred in after accomplishing little at a better school.
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Oh heās not strictly outside zone, I just think youād get the most of out him - and heād have the better career - if he ended up somewhere that ran plenty of it. But yeah, heās not limited to just that. Anything on the move really.
But with his body and stiffness issues, he has trouble getting into a good position for a tussle. He can definitely struggle to control his gap, and thatās something that probably wonāt fly for us the way weāre currently constructed. Because of it he has a surprising amount of lowlights on his tape where he loses to a DT straight up or is slow - or fails altogether - to seal off defenders. We can mitigate for these things of course, but with our current construction Iād rather not.
Dante Moore back to school next year
Wow.
I actually think itās a GREAT decision. The history of QBs with so few starts getting drafted early is bleak af. Yes, heās turning down some money, but itās not like Uncle Phil will let him go broke. And the money will still be there next year. This isnāt an Allar/Nussmeier case, Mooreās a legit dude.
Although not a pure power back LeVeon Moss is an interesting late day 3 option IMO.
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Agree, though the medicals will matter of course. But heād be a lot more expensive without them, so Brad-behind-a-tree.gif
I think its opposite
i think its the riskiest move he could do im ngl
also NFL is really gonnna make the CFB regulate their contracts and shit, this does affect the draft massively now
May be a good decision but when your projected top 5 he better hope it goes well because a injury or a bad season and now he is down the board with no guarantee of potentially starting
The history of QBs who fail with as few starts of him is just really, really awful. He would have been paid, yes, but then drafted by the Jets, forced to play too early, then - if it goes like every other young QB with few starts for the past twenty years - start a journeyman career. The only exception to this rule this century are Cam and Rodgers, and thatās only if you donāt count their juco starts.
In the face of that, more time in college makes a lot of sense. And unlike any time throughout college history, youāre STILL gonna make life-changing money by going back. Luck, Manning and others went back when that wasnāt the case.
Everyone wants to bring up Allar, Barkley and Nussmeier as cases where it went wrong, but no one wants to bring up the times it went right like Baker, Cam Ward, Jayden Daniels, Burrow, Herbert, Penix, Nix, etcā¦ No, their decisions to go back werenāt as difficult (except in Herbertās case), but weāre talking about guys who returned to school and improved, circumstances be damned.
I think considering that next years QB class is much better, and that hes going back to stiffer competitionā¦ idk man, feeling in my guy that says this was the wrong move, espeically if he tears his acl or something happens
guess you gotta live with the risk
You must have hated it when Luck and the Manning bros went back.
Also next yearās class looks better right now, but we know how that goes. Say Arch sticks around the whole time like his uncles did. Lagway and Raiola have already bombed out. Sayin is gonna get nitpicked to death for his height. Carr struggles, etcā¦ I donāt think decision like this should be made based on futures that may or may not come to pass.
And a torn ACL for a young QB isnāt that big of a deal. It might help him, force him to sit a year. Heād still be drafted plenty high. In fact very few injuries would negatively affect his stock that much.
So Raiola and Moore at QB for Oregon next year. will be interesting
Yhonzae Pierre and Bray Hubbard returning to Bama next year.
No. Again, you are twisting words. Cross out āI liked deJean better and he should have tooā. I donāt expect my likes and wants to project onto Brad. Iām sure he knows more about the draft than any of us combined. But heās not beyond reproach. Yes, I thought he overcompensated for a āneedā by picking 3 CBās, when you add free agency in. Yes, I thought deJean was a better player, doesnāt mean Brad did, all good. Yes Iām disappointed in Bradās pick, especially when you consider he also wiped out our second round pick. Yes, I think he should have let the board come to him and picked deJean., or OL or whatever, I donāt know what more to say.
You just donāt get me, and I just donāt get you on this one. He picked three outside CBās in a row (FA + draft) and threw in a second rounder to boot. I didnāt like it. I still think its a counter-example to his off-stated philosophy of picking the player not the position. If you disagree, yeah, letās just leave it at that. But donāt try to say that I said Brad ALWAYS picks position over player. I did not say that.
It seems that way, yeah. If you didnāt mean Brad takes positions over players when you said this:
Then youāre right, Iām not getting you.
I think he chooses players over position, and to me, you have chosen to focus on the one draft where the need really matched up well with the players he loved. The fact that he hammered that need so drastically, in fact, leads credence to the players > position argument. By the time he took Rakestraw one would hardly have called CB our biggest need, but he took him anyway. I donāt think this had anything to do with āwell Iām just gonna spam that position because we really need it!ā I think he really liked Rakestraw. And I think he loooooved Arnold, which again, many of us saw coming.