I think it’s ridiculous that Mike Shanahan keeps getting snubbed. His impact on today’s league is incredible.
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I am really just playing a bit devils advocate here.
But he only had 9 full productive years. He is barely top 50 all time in yards.
He won 1 SB
All of his awards and eye popping activities happened 1999 and 2001 with those St Louis teams. He was All Pro in 1999 and 2001.
I am just saying that sometimes we fall in love with a narrative or a story and kind of put on blinders.
One could argue (strongly I might add) that almost any QB in the league could have won with those 99 and 2001 teams. And then that was about the end of his great play. Yes he did well at Arizona. But he was never All Pro those years.
You take 1999 and 2001 out of the equation and you don’t have much to hang your hat on.
So for Warner a great 2 years made him a HOF QB. The rest of his career he was 40-44. And had another run to the SB with Arizona.
Honestly when I start looking at it I gotta ask why the hate on Eli when clearly Warner had a similar if not less impressive career.
Listen the QB position is super tough to grade out. Because everyone moves the needle.
How do you grade a starting QB in the NFL?
1- wins?
2- numbers?
3- teams talent around them?
4- your OC?
Again I now 100% fall on the side that Eli did enough but also anyone that is close should get in.
Agree 100%
One has to ask if that family has pissed someone off. Because Kyle is being haunted by the Super Bowl losses or close but no cigars…he is still reeling from the ATL debacle.
The super bowl wins probably get him in. But Eli was an interception throwing machine. He led the nfl in ints several seasons. 84 career qb rating is pretty meh. The super bowls and his last name though, he will get in.
I wouldn’t vote for Eli. That’s all I’m saying. Incredibly mediocre QB and two really great playoff runs ain’t enough.
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Lou Whitaker can’t get in. But Eli is probably getting in. I think it’s obvious who has the hall of mediocre and who doesn’t.
Phil Simms, I believe. Also Giants.
Kurt Warner played in THREE Super Bowls. Won one, could have won all three, he played really well. Won two MVPs, four Pro-Bowls. His story is awesome, BTW.
Mike Shanahan could sure put a run game in place. He only really had the great few years with a HOF QB. Without him, his record is mediocre to bad.
Eli is a close call. He DID win 2, over heavily favored Pats teams.
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There were always at least 5 or 6 guys better than him. How can he be the best of the best all time when he was never the best of the best in his era?
He rode his defense to two Super Bowls, and, being honest, Foles and Flacco were much bigger parts of their respective Super Bowl runs than Eli was in his.
Peyton, Brady, Brees, Ben, Eli, Rivers, Rodgers, Ryan, Flacco, Stafford, Cam, Wilson. If you’re letting in Eli then everyone on that list gets in, and if everyone on that list gets in it means there were 12 (!) HoF QBs playing in the league at the same time (2012-2015). If a third of the starters in the league make the Hall of Fame, is it really anything special?
I don’t know, in my opinion, if Troy Aikman is a HoFer, so is Eli Manning.
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This class wasn’t that great. There are some guarantees next year.
Only had 1.
Loved this video though. Sterling Sharpe had the ability to be something really special if his career wasn’t cut short. I know that has hurt Shannon more than it did Sterling.
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As well as Jim Kelly. I loved the competitors they were, but there are very few Tom Brady’s to crown.
About Phil Simms
Looked it up:
“In Super Bowl XXI, he completed 22 of 25 passes to defeat the Denver Broncos, 39-20. The victory gave the Giants their first Super Bowl title and Simms earned Most Valuable Player honors.”
He got a second ring with their win over the Bills, but he got injured late in the season, and Jeff Hostetler finished and won the game itself.
We’re kind of both right.
The question was who else has 2 Superbowl MVPs and isn’t in the Hall (in reference to Eli having 2 Superbowl MVP awards and not being in the Hall). Phil Simms didn’t even start 2 Superbowls - let alone win 2 Superbowl MVPs, so nah, I don’t think your answer to Nate was “kind of” right.
(Sorry, re-reading this, it comes across as dick-ish. Not my intent. Just trying to be matter-of-fact. 
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Eli really thought he was getting in too. He had people congratulating him before they even made announcements.
Yep! Two rings, and a bunch of playoff appearances.
No matter how you slice it, he has as many rings as Peyton and more than Stafford and Hurts and Allen and Rodgers and, you get the point.
It’s hard enough to get one Ring. Two Rings is an automatic qualifier.
I was thinking two SB rings. Which, I guess Simms didn’t actually do.
Get your point now.
Simms is another close candidate who’s #'s aren’t as pretty as the wins are.
Eli will probably get in eventually.
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Just for the record Jim Plunkett has 2 rings as a starting QB and is not in the hall.
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