We touched on this stuff a few days ago. Gronk was on air pleading for Brady to enjoy the win and lamenting how they always grieved what was done incorrectly, always striving to do better.
That pursuit of perfection can only come in a series of smaller successes. At some point the whole group understands what’s necessary to win the whole shebang, and yucking it up after a sloppy win is not a recipe for long-term success. But, to a team that’s struggling, you better yuck it up while you can to keep them all bought in.
So again Mr. Abject…you automatically side with the team instead of the player who played for the team. The team, despite its record, can never be wrong. Some of you are like mothers when it comes to this team…”My baby ain’t never hurt nobody” even though he done robbed ten banks, carjacked ten other people and shot someone over some Jordan’s…
QB…you talk about Mike Babcock and you cite only one player? I’m a Leafs and I had been heard noise about him being a douche. What you are talking about is very contradicting. Don’t be surprised to hear more noise about Patricia later down the road. You are only trying your best to support him because he is still the coach of the team you root for
I’m saying for you to just automatically try to deny any possibility that Patricia is a douche is very contradictory when the same thing is applied to Babcock and you totally buy it and believe it. Yeah I heard Babcock is a douche, but I also hear the same thing about Patricia. You believe Babcock and you cite one guy who has been saying it for years. But it takes more than one player to say Patricia is a douche in order for you to believe that…I guess
Lol - never automatically like the robots that can roam here …
I took the side I feel is closer to the truth with the limited knowledge I have … as I say all the time… I’m a fan without backstories but assuming he was totally truthful and that the story was 100% true… when it’s now obvious it’s not… is worse. You blindly went with it… I want verification … and openly accept my position I take as an opinion, a guess … while others here can’t…
He was. Chicago can thank Babcock for Hosa and their championships. He ran him out of here.
The worst of it is he said in his last year that Detroit’s problem is that they’ve been too good for too long and weren’t able to reach the better talent in the draft because they’re not picking early enough. OK. That being the case, you think maybe you ought to have a better attitude toward veteran free agents?
First of all: Automatically? That is an incorrect term to use in this situation. Your implying that I am making an emotional determination without proper facts to base an opinion on. You sit here and say “i am a leafs fan and I heard he is a douche” and then critique me for providing one actual factual source of evidence supporting that Bab’s was a douche? Where are your sources? Your a leafs fan, is that all that needs to be said in order for something to be factual? If that is the case then, I am an actual bigger wings fan then I am a lions fan and if you actually paid attention as a fan you would hear talk about Babs being hard on the players and the players at times having a hard time with him. My family have season tickets to first the JOE and now LCA and 1) My uncles know members of the wings and play golf with them and the talk has been that Babs is a douche. 2) I have met babs when I was younger and guess what…he was a douche. Instead of using personal information that can’t be verified I actually used factual evidence dating back to 2012 when Commodore played in Detroit.
Second of all: Glover Quin never said MP was a Douche. Line and I had a conversation about this very thing in the thread but apparently you didn’t read it. GQ was very complimentary and professional. PEN said that he wouldn’t be surprised if people came out in the future and called MP a douche. I said we know that a few players from the previous regime appear to not like how MP runs the ship and might have an issue with him, we know that and NO ONE IS DISPUTING THAT. That is what I said.
If MP is considered a douche by some later on then it would be a stark contradiction to Rob Ninkovich, Dont’a Hightower and many other patriots such as Kyle Van Noy. On Detroit’s current team Trey Flowers and Kennard have come out praising MP and saying how much he means to them. Justin Rogers has said this week that the locker room has not been lost and the players like slay are a minority. Consider this from Kyle Van Noy:
“The players get a lot of say. It’s awesome to play for a defensive coach like Matt Patricia who believes in his players, allows them to make field adjustments and be out there and change what you need to change, according to what you see. And I think that’s awesome. It speaks volumes to him and it shows why all his players play for him a long time and they enjoy playing in the Patriots’ system.”
Does that sound like a coach who players hate or think is a douche? I even said if people are quick to detract from supporters of Patricia based on “towing the team line” you have to also be careful about believing those who are anti-patricia based on whatever biases might be affecting them. So no, I don’t make an automatic response without thinking in an attempt to blindly support a regime that appears to be failing. I look at the evidence and the facts regarding the matter and then comment. You should try it sometime.
You know what…I only said what I heard. I didn’t support any opinion one way or another. I don’t know enough to do that. Scotty Bowman, from what we hear, was a douche. Bumped heads with Yzerman, Fedorov and Shanahan along with a few others. You are just a Lions fan and we as fans don’t know a damn thing to take such a biased position just because we are a fan of whatever team. And to me that is what you are doing here. You are so desperate that the Lions are not headed into another state of oblivion that you hope that MP is not an asshole coach who is not liked by his players. Fact of the matter is he just might be or he might not be. But there is nothing that you or I know that we can take a strong factual position on it and we certainly can’t dismiss it. But that is what you are trying to do…dismiss it. But go ahead and believe what you want to believe. But I’ve been around long enough to see Lions fans automatically dismiss something for their support of this franchise and you end up with egg on your face almost every time. I saw it in pre-season when Mike Lombardi talked about Stafford still having broken bones in his back. A lot of you were quick to dismiss it and call Lombardi a know-nothing idiot. Well guess what sir…Lombardi was 100 percent correct and Lions fans look like the know-nothing idiots…,
Oh I see. You are the wise old Lions fan who is “woke” to what is really going on and everyone else who doesn’t see things your way is foolish and thinking illogically.
Scotty Bowman has nothing to do with this conversation. Okay, everyone knows of his style and butting heads with the greats. We are talking about why I would be willing to believe Babs is an asshole. Personal experience and then also documented evidence doesn’t rate with you apparently. I actually do know enough about babs to say what I say.
No player on the current team has said that MP is a douche. A poster who is desperately looking for proof that MP is a douche makes a comment about perhaps in future years we will find out that MP is a douche. I respond that that would be a complete reverse of the track record the MP has had for 14 years in the NFL. Of course it is possible but the evidence that is out there suggests that it is not likely. I even said: “It is possible Patricia can be one of those personalities that you either love or you hate and the majority of people who are around APPARENTLY love him”. That is not discrediting or clinging to the hope that he isn’t an asshole, that is trying to be objective and sticking the very little that we as fans know. I bring quotes and evidence to support why it appears people love MP and all you do is double down about some nonsense about “a lot of you lion fans” and “being desperate” and “bias”.
All you have done is make assumptions. You clearly don’t read my posts bc I never commented on Lombardi’s assessment about Stafford and have been on record for years as someone who looks to the authorities in a profession for their insights. Lombardi is an authority, so actually, my personal thoughts on the matter are the opposite of what your assuming. Lombardi’s perspective was valid and concerning. But yea go ahead and keep making assumptions.
As if there I needed to make my point even stronger, the fact that Iggy likes your response just proves how idiotic it is… take a lap SIR.
I didn’t say YOU DID say anything about Lombardi on the Stafford issue. I said LIONS FANS…clearly you don’t read my posts. And truth be told I am not wiser than anyone here and I don’t know Jack shit. I only give opinions here my friend and that is my point. You won’t ever see me take a strong position on here say of players and coaches because I simply don’t know the facts. And Scotty Bowman I used him as an example to say that coaches, no matter how great they are, can be douche’s. I also hear Brian Kelly is a know it all jerk…but I only care of Notre Dame wins or loses. Can’t shed any light on who or what Kelly is as a person. Same for Babs. Only thing I know about Babs is that he coached the Ducks to a 7th game in the SCF…he won a Cup in Detroit…he got the Leafs back to the playoffs. Matt P May or May not be a douche, he may or may not have lost the locker room, I only know that his record is 9-18-1 and that is all I can concern myself with
I posted a story here when I heard it and have posted it once before. I got it from a source who I consider to be reliable. You can either choose to believe it or not. It was in the pre season last year. Patricia has a rule about not talking to opponents/family members before the game. Prater was talking to a family member prior to a pre season game, and Patricia was not happy about it. Prater told him to go fuck himself and to “play the kicker you are going to cut”. Prater did not play that game I believe it was the last pre season game of last season. Prater has the leverage to do that, seeing as he is a top 5 kicker, in a league where there is a bad kicking epidemic.
Patricia is a clown and there is no doubt that stories will pour out once hes gone.
You are literally saying nothing. And you really suck at this.
You literally said “a lot of you” you never said LIONS FANS. I do read your posts. You apparently don’t proofread what you spew out.
Great revelation. This is nothing new.
Clearly you can’t. I can. Remember the whole “I met the man” and “My uncles play golf with a few ex wings”.
And I even said we have limited information. That he could be a personality that some don’t like and some do like. But the evidence of players over 14 years suggests he is well liked and current beat reporters who are in the locker room every single day say he hasn’t lost the locker room. But yes…keep going…
Hell, this whole conversation is stupid because I literally said you have to be careful who you listen to on either side of this argument because of the bias that might be behind their words…take two laps SIR.
