Stafford has always reminded me of Favre. Both have crazy strong arms, both take some ridiculous chances at times which does lead to some dumb interceptions, both money in the 4th quarter, both are tough and take big hits all the time.
Hopefully Stafford’s retirement goes a little better than the turd burglar Favre has become.
Stafford is clearly #1…if you’re talking about pick-6’s anyways.
And guess who he’s tied with?
As I was saying 2 posts up
As players, they’re as close of a comp as one can get, IMO.
I think Staff had a bit more discipline beaten into him mid-career, and I think that’s made him a better QB than Favre was.
They’re still nearly mirror images of one another, though, in terms of playing style.
I don’t get using “rings”. “Rings” are for teams. You can win a ring with a pedestrian QB. Sure, tis the most important position, but there have been some very good QB’s that made their teams much better without ever winning a ring. (including pre-22 Stafford)
I would rank the top 3 - main criteria is - “how much better did they make their team”. For me, there’s little question that its:
Peyton Manning
Tom Brady
Patrick Mahomes
Honorable mention: Rogers (as much as I don’t like him)
Manning could be 1 if you don’t value playoffs much. Which would be silly, because everyone values the playoffs far more than the regular season. But if you do, it’s Tom by a landslide.
I was looking at the HOF monitor on profootball reference. Stafford is a 95 score. 108 is an average HOFer at the position. If he wins the MVP, he’ll gain about 15 points or so, as awards are one of the categories. That should theoretically get him in.
Hmm, where do you draw the line for a modern QB? Brady and Brees only retired a few years ago. Peyton retired not long before them. Same with Rapelis- Roethlisberger.
I’ll base my list on active QBs. That way you don’t have an arbitrary cutoff line for the retired players.
If you played professional football while a veteran of the Spanish-American war was still alive, you ain’t modern.
I think that’s fair. If you could ever yell “Remember the Maine” and some codger wheezed back “To Hell with Spain” you are from a bygone era.
My top 10 SB winning QBs in my lifetime:
Tom Brady(#1 on winning)
Aaron Rodgers(#1 on overall talent)
Peyton Manning
Joe Montana
Pat Mahomes
Drew Brees
Matthew Stafford
Brett Favre
Ben Roethlisberger
Kurt Warner
Honorable mention: John Elway, Steve Young, Troy Aikman, Joe Flacco, Russell Wilson, Eli Manning
Non SB winners (as starter) top 5
Dan Marino
Jared Goff
Matt Ryan
Josh Allen
Lamar Jackson
Honorable mention: Phillip Rivers, Cam Newton, Tony Romo, Drew Bledsoe, Donovan McNabb; too early to judge the rest that are still playing
Lamar didn’t win a SB. MVP twice, no ring.
Lamar could have easily won a 3rd MVP in 2024. I think they might have passed on him because he already won twice.
Crap, I keep forgetting it was Flacco that beat the niners and Dilfer that one the first one for the Ravens lol
I think if he wins MVP it really moves the needle for how his career will be remembered. If he wins another SB I think he is a HOF lock. If he doesn’t, and he isn’t the MVP, I think its iffy and the pro bowl snubs he got as a Lions QB (I think I remember at least two) could come back to haunt him when HOF voters vote.
Stafford above Manning, Brees, Rodgers? No way
I’d put him in the top 10 but no chance at top 5. That’s an extremely tough list to crack, no offense to Matt. Those other guys were perennial MVP level players for like a decade
It’s always difficult to measure by personal statistics. Having seen his entire career in Detroit, there were many, many (many!) games where Staff would play like crap for an entire half, and then rack up garbage time yardage and TD’s after the game was out of reach. I’ve seen lots of 300 & 400 yd passing games from him over the years where the final score didn’t come clise to representing how badly the Lions got crushed because of garbage time stat padding. Stafford played for some terrible teams, but he also played on some talented teams in Detroit that he took nowhere.
Great QB’s raise the level of those around them. How many no name WR’s did Brady turn into pro bowlers? Those guys would leave NE, and the next guy up would become a pro bowler. Stafford did not do this. I don’t hate Stafford. I rooted for him for a decade in Detroit, but he tore my heart out more often than he carried the team.
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#1 …. it blows my mind that this was the 1st list in this thread to include Brees as a top QB.
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#2…. At this point… it is difficult to say that Lamar should be ahead of Stafford based on regular season stats.
Stafford is 7-2 in the playoffs over the past 5 years with Rams. His stats in those playoffs are off the charts.
He was robbed in Detroit with a dysfunctional franchise… but that is not true for Lamar. Since going to LA… Stafford has been on a top-10 all-time great playoff heater.
Lamar has consistently failed to elevate his play and team in the playoffs.
Honestly, this list is spot on not just “modern”. This looks like all-time. I’m not sure I’d have Elway in the top 5 anway because he’s not as good as this list including Erin. I might thiink Stafford belongs there if he wins the SB, but for everyone else he would probably have to win the MVP, and SB, and SB MVP and sing a song and dance. They never made it easy for the guy to get the recognition he always deeserved.
He was a Lion. Then he moves on only to become top 5 QB of all-time. SMH.
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It’s pretty difficult to compare a guy like Elway to this generation of QB’s given the changes in rules…
But it is hard to argue that Elway doesn’t belong above Rodgers.
Elway played in 5 Super Bowls, had 2 Lombardi’s. and made iconic plays in the playoffs.
Rodgers has historically underperformed in the playoffs.