Breese will be available at 18 but probably not at our 2nd round pick. If you REALLY want him, late 1st is the way to go.
Branch will likely go right around 18. Definitely not in the discussion at 6. Solid player and I’d love him on the team but he lacks size/speed to be elite.
Everytime i see this thread i can’t get past the title.
It’s like folks think every draft has the same level of talent and that a 6AO pick should meet a certain threshold of talent and if he doesn’t he isnt worth the 6AO pick.
That isn’t how drafts work.
I’m seeing draft analysts predicting Bresee may not even get picked in the 1st round.
I hear y’all about Bresee and I think I take Tyrell Wilson over Bresee at this point but I think folks are wrong about Bryan’s potential.
Yes, there are legit issues with Bryan. I think overall his talent level is real. As a true freshman he was a BEAST. ACL injury early as a sophomore but came back this season to tragedy and another illness that sapped him.
But Bresee tested well and is likely fully healthy now.
DT is a premium position. In a draft that has a lot of talent but is light on blue chippers, taking a chance on Bresee seems like a smart play to me.
Wow! So at this point you’re thinking Brad will take Richardson at 6 if he’s there? That would classify as a bombshell. And you believe if Richardson is gone Brad would take Levis? Then JSN? Then Jones? Are you thinking Jones would play RG? So many amazing scenarios.
You could be right @Thats2. But man, I’d really be surprised. My Spidey-sense is going off, that maybe, just mayyybeee Brad could be lurking in the weeds on Richardson. If so we’d better hope Brunell is a QBWhisperer. But I’d be surprised if they didn’t go heavy D. We shall see! Gonna be amazing.
From everything I’ve been hearing, both from the insider types on this board and elsewhere, don’t be surprised if we go offense. Maybe heavy offense. So that’s coloring part of my thought process for sure.
I also don’t think, based on the emphasis we put on character, that Jalen Carter will be on our board. It is what it is. I mentioned that he’d be my #1 option but I understand why they’d pass. It fits with their MO. Furthermore I think Gonzalez was never really on our board even before we signed two FA CBs. I think our FO and AG in particular wants aggressive DBs, and for all that Gonzalez has going on, that’s not really part of his game.
Then when I look at Brad’s draft history so far - and granted, it’s a small sample size - but he literally pays the most attention to athleticism (RAS) of any GM in the entire league in early rounds, and puts the second-highest value on drafting premium positions leaguewide (As discussed in this thread: GM Premium Draft Trends).
So, good athletes at high value positions. For me that narrows it down to the aforementioned foursome, plus Wilson, Murphy, Van Ness, Nolan Smith, Paris Johnson, and maaaybe Quentin Johnston. The four edge guys are the most plausible, but I bypassed them because of both our depth at the position and the rumors about going offense. I passed on Johnson because @HSVLion has been very local about him being a terrible option at guard, even temporarily. Admittedly I passed on Johnston because I have a far, far higher grade on JSN, but certainly our FO might see it differently which is why I included him.
That left me with those four.
I hate OSU
but i know when Olave and wilson were at OSU they (the players) said JSN was better than both of them.
I agree that he is the only wr worth a 1st and a top 10 talent in this draft
I dont really worry about draft “value” at pick 6.
Is the guy the top talent at his position? Is he #2 at a position of great need for us? Great! Does he fit the scheme and culture but is ranked the #12 to 15 prospect? Great! Take him at 6. Sleep well that night.
And with 18? Value pick. BPA.
To me this is still a Gonzo/Spoon then Bijan/AA draft. I thought it coulda been Carter at 6 before the pro day. Still could be.
Trust Holmes. Dude has a track record of success, is plugged in, has a plan and a definable style/system of priorities for position groups balanced w need.
Great stuff. Reading trends now. Would be a fascinating next two seasons if they went Richardson and tried to morph him into a Josh Hurts/Jalen Allen clone.
Intense hatred shared. Putting that aside, what’s the story on JSN’s injury history. I don’t watch or read about OSU, so fill me in a bit. Didn’t he miss a bunch of time in 2021 then torch Utah in the Rose Bowl? Then he basically misses the entire season this year?
Jalen Carter is well worth the 6 pick!
Can’t wait until it happens and this board explodes!
Based on who I think will be available and who I think the Lions would take it comes down to Carter, Witherspoon and Levis. I think we will add an offensive weapon like Zay Flowers, Achane or Musgrave early but not at 6. My dream would be first 3 picks Carter at 6 Skoronski at 18 and then Benton and Achane in the 2nd.
Why would they. Flacco got them a ring, Lamar got them a headache. I’d say they take Levis
I think you bring up an excellent point. Lamar was chosen by the outgoing GM. The guy in charge now is not the guy who took him.
The value of the pick doesn’t matter in a sense, because you only have the players you have to take. But it definitely factors into a team’s willingness to trade off a spot, or into future draft capital.
I am having trouble with the suggestions of skoronski for example, because he seems like a very limited tackle prospect in the top ten. I suspect if he’s in the sewell draft, he’s a likely bottom half of first round prospect. It seems like a good draft to trade out of, but that assumes a greater depth of talent in next year’s crop. Do we know that definitively this early in the process?
Elite closing speed, high level decision making, great work ethic, great starts and get off. Gym rat. Motor for days. What can’t he do!?
Get ready for a pro day, apparently.
Or Slow TF Down…I mean, before some piss drunk groupie turns an Expedition into Smart Car w people still inside…except for the teammate that got launched like Sputnik out of the window
I think it would be sage to do so.
I’m a big Robert Mayes fan (despite him being a Bears fan), and one of his most often repeated points on the Athletic Football show is that NFL team decision makers often work off of the pretense that next year will be an extension of the prior season when in reality it rarely is. Generally speaking if you were an excellent team on one side of the ball and you decide to hold serve you run a substantial risk of taking a step back.
Therefore if you want a strength to remain a strength it’s advisable to invest (perhaps heavily) in that strength. I think we did so already with Monty but I would like to see more. And if we lose Chark (though we gain Jamo) we need to be particularly aggressive on O.