I would be fine with any one of those.
Rags had 3 plus inch longer arms, and was 6’5”and change and 312 pounds. He was #4 ranked center terms of RAS score since 1987.
If the board fell this way I would definitely look to trade back in to the 2nd rd for someone wanting Penix or another player to keep with a 5th yr option.
Two of : JPJ, Frazier, Mims, Rosengarten, Morgan, Suamatai, D. Robinson, Kool-aid, Rackestraw, Lassiter, Newton, Fiske, Keon Coleman, A. Mitchell, or even Legette will be there in the 2nd rd.
I like Legette but not that much more than Coleman or a chance at these players plus extra value.
Yes a very different player than JPJ.
Barton is actually a much closer comp. Not quite as long as Frank, but equally as athletic and probably a little better in a phone booth than Frank was as a prospect.
Coleman’s best position is not as an X though imo, and that’s where we really need the help. He’s more like a Puka/Godwin type with better contested catch ability (that Goff would not take advantage of anyway).
Reading the tea leaves, we’ve visited with Legette, we know he’s got a tireless work ethic, loves football, has overcome a lot to get where he is, he plays a position we really need, and he’s team first and won’t complain about a lack of targets. He literally checks every box. And we know Brad’s not afraid to reach for a guy (based on the current narratives) if he loves him, like he did last year with Gibbs and Campbell (and arguably LaPorta).
On top of all that, his accent’s crazy af and would be fun to hear for years.
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Assuming ARSB is re-signed, I just can’t get myself to a place where I’d draft a WR over an CB, OL, or DE in rounds 1 and 2. Obviously it really depends on the board when we’re picking, but that’s a rough pill for me to swallow because I’m not crazy in love with any WRs outside of the top 3. And then to pick one that high to be a #5 option for the next couple years minimum when we could take a CB, OG, or DE who could possibly be starting on defense as soon as next year?
Just can’t get there personally.
honestly, maybe it becomes like the JSN argument from last year again
Jamo still is a bit of a question mark
Leaf is last year on his contract, DPJ is only here for a year, St Brown, we assume is about to get re-signed, Reynolds is likely gone.
its now technically our only big hole on the roster is the starting X spot
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But I mean, I’d argue X has been a hole for the last 3 seasons. lol. I could maybe get on board with Brian Thomas at 29, but the 2nd round guys I’m just not fans of (in terms of value). I’m more of a fan of some of the guys that are being mocked in the 3rd.
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All about players for Brad, though, not positions (within reason of course). For me personally, Brian Thomas and Legette are above many of the options at those positions.
At edge I’d only have Verse and Turner over them and maybe Chop, though you’ve convinced me he might not be on our board. At CB I’d have DeJean, Mitchell and Arnold, but not Wiggins or Kool-Aid. I wouldn’t have anyone at iOL, though that’s mostly about my distaste for drafting that position in the 1st. If we do go that way I’d hope it was Barton, but I don’t have him ranked as high as Thomas or Legette, either.
However I suspect this is really all about evaluation. Based on what you said, you’d take MH3, Odunze or Nabers if they made it to us right? Which would show it’s not as much about the positions, it’s about the players. Well I feel similarly about Thomas and Legette. I just have them ranked a lot higher than you.
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I think this is probably right. Like I said, I could get on with Brian Thomas at 29, maybe, but Legette is a lot lower for me. Like say we went CB or OL at 29 and Legette and Marshawn Kneeland were sitting there, I’d take Kneeland 100% of the time. But now I’m wonder if Kneeland was gone, if Legette would be a legit option for me. Like you said, it probably is more player than position for me, but all things equal, I think of the OG, DE, CB, WR discussion, if positions were involved in a “tie-breaker” between guys I liked evenly, WR would move the needle the least for me.
damn it, i did the christian thing again
I’d be quite fond of that draft as well. Though nowadays I think Thomas is more likely to go top ten than fall to us.
I get it though, Legette has a wonky profile for a legit WR1. The analytics guys don’t like him, which is why you see some sims ranking him in the 80s. I don’t love his profile either, but to me you have to do some digging with Legette to find out the truth. There are legit reasons he didn’t break out early (horribly-timed injuries, competition, tragedy), and players like Puka and McLaurin have shown that needs to be taken into account.
While I understand your view of number of first round OL players on the team and in many ways agree with it, one question.
Does the fact that Ragnow and Decker are nearing the end of the line in Detroit, 2-3yrs, granted just a guess, impact or change that view? We would have the 2024 1st rd OL player on his rookie contract at the time that one of those two retires. Granted the retirement timeline is an assumption on my part not fact and they could, Decker at least, play another 3-5yrs depending on health.
I have no problem making plans for life without Frank, I just wouldn’t do it in the 1st round. As you’ll note from this chart, he plays the MOST LIKELY position to be found later in the draft:
My favorite first round option, on the flip side, is the OT/OG hybrid who can deputize at guard, cover swing/backup tackle in case Penei or Decker go down (an underrated need), and one day take over for Decker. But the reason I want to go this route is because of the players available there in this draft. There are some great ones. If there weren’t so many options available, I’d probably go a different direction.
So once again, it’s about the players more than the position. Though the ability to find iOL later vs finding starting OTs does factor in, for sure. But it wouldn’t mean anything without the players available to execute that strategy.
This chart just reaffirms why I don’t want a WR in round 1 if the top guys are off the board. lmfao.
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WRs are definitely easier to find later too, but a flaw with this chart is that it doesn’t include hit rate. WRs take a hit there, but so many are drafted their overall numbers remain impressive. On the flip side the hit rate at C remains strong, though fewer are drafted.
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Its Boomhauer!
So with the needs we still have,Mel thinks we should draft someone that isn’t making some’s top 10 WR board?
Drop the crack pipe Mel.
I would be thrilled with Legette!
Dude is a monster and is being slept on for some reason!
I find it quite humorous people thinking he will be there in RD 2!
Holmes loves him some WR……