Mike Martz on 3rd and 1 call and Ben Johnson

Can we make Campbell the pre-game head coach and Johnson the in game head coach? :rofl:

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Hmmmm?
Maybe Asst GM/CoHC for Campbell and CoHC/OC for Ben?
I like it. Not sure how Sheila and the NFL would feel?
Probably easier to just throw money at him. Seems to work for the government.

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Parcells left the Pateiots to Pete Carroll for 3 years,
and Belichick went with Parcells to Jets.

There were a bunch of new faces when Belichick got back to New England as HC

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Good memory, forgot about that!

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Me, too. Was Carol ever with the Eagles? I was thinking he coached, but, maybe it was the Patriots?

The green team he coached was the Jets, he was the head coach for 1 year with the Jets after being their DC for several years. It’s funny because he basically flip flopped teams with Parcells and BB.

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That whole saga was crazy.

In 1997… the Jets gave up 4 picks… including a 1st rounder in 1999 to get Parcells from the Patriots. Belichick’s contract as DC expired… and he joined Parcells with the Jets.

In 2000… Parcells resigned as HC of the Jets.
Belichick had a clause in his contract that would make him the successor as HC. The news conference was set to announce Belichick as the HC… but he resigned instead…. to coach the Patriots.
The Patriots would then send the Jets a 1st round pick in tje 200 draft as compensation.

2 franchises.
2 trades.
2 coaches whose careers were intertwined for 2 decades.

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And then spygate!! haha with former Pats coach Eric Mangini of course now coaching the Jets.

THEY NEED TO FIND A WAY TO KEEP BEN JOHNSON AT ALL COSTS.

You do not let him get away from this franchise.

Give him a few million a year, make him co-HC, HC in waiting, give him a new Raptor every few months, whatever it takes.

Retaining Ben Johnson should have a thread of its own.

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THANK YOU for the Hank Fraley love. Who are we without this guy who makes our OL elite. They’re not great at blocking just because they drafted 1st rounders. Fraley is a gotta keep coach.

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Great find Deadstroke!!!
This was cool to listen too from someone that I believe was one of the greatest offensive innovators in his time

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Not the foundational pieces of that defense.

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I like Johnson so far but lets take a breath lol.

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Belichick drafted hall of famer Seymour in 2001….

signed Mike Vrabel… in 2001….

signed team leading sacker Bobby Hamilton… in 2001.

signed 2nd leading sacker… Anthony Hamilton… in 2001.

signed 2nd leading tackler Roman Phifer… in 2001.

signed CB Otis Smith in 2000… who had team leading 19 PBUs in 2001

Also……

Ty Law was drafted by Parcells in 1995.
He made 1 pro bowl in his first 5 seasons.
After Belichick returned to New England in 2000,
Law made the Pro Bowl 4 of the next 6 years.

And….

Belichick joined the Patriots in 1996…… as Asst HC and DB coach…
when they drafted Milloy and Bruschi.

Did he play a role in drafting those players?

We’ll likely never know.

But… Bruschi wasn’t a top player for his first few years…
and definitely had MOST of his success after Belichick returned to New England.

So you named two guys Belichick drafted, 3 guys he signed off Parcells Jets team and down play the foundational pieces of Milloy, Law and Bruschi. I guess

Me thinks we’re getting quite a bit ahead of ourselves here. Teryl Austin was, at one time, the next great head coach. Let’s see if we can get multiple genius seasons first.

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LOL - We have never seen anything like this.

Austin had that DL with Levy behind them.

This squad isn’t about Talent…it’s more aobut Guts, effort, execution.

Wait’ll the talent gets infused.

…(((BOOM!!!)))…

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Nope. Good/Great OC’s are difficult to find. Keep the guy.

I’ll take the opinion of several long term OC’s over yours everyday of the week.

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Yeah I’m pretty sure he talked about the 3rd -1 play, he said play was there and wr had 3 yrds on the DB and Goff just missed him. He said you really expect your QB to make that play.
Martz probably doesn’t know anything close to some here or maybe he’s missing the still shot pictures so many are clinging too. :man_shrugging:

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