NFC North notes: Jonah Jackson

Not to nitpick, but he was a second Pro Bowl alternate in 2021 who got to go the probowl after replacing Brandon Scherff. I’m not saying he’s not a solid player, but the narrative that he’s a top end “Pro Bowl” guard that people use trying to label him as one of the best OG in the league is a little overstated around here.

He’s a good player. But I don’t think he’s worth 13m-15m a year. I don’t think he’s a top 10 guard in the league and I don’t think he should be paid like one, which is around where 13-15m AAV would put him.

If you think so, that’s fine, we’re allowed to disagree. In the end, it comes down to what Brad thinks. And like I’ve said before, I’d rather he be in the position on figuring out Jackson than me.

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It’s almost a given that Big V will be replaced by a rookie. It just makes too much sense cap wise. The question is will they make that decision this offseason. I think they will.

My guess is Jonah is resigned, Brown is lost to FA. Big V. is a cap casualty and the Lions draft a starting OG in round two.

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:100: %, my friend.

So who is that guard. Personally I want movement skills rather than a phone booth guy.

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If he wants 12+ mill per season, then yes. Appreciate Jonah, but name a team with highly paid guards that kicks ass in the modern nfl!?

It’s a devalued position, like RB, like LB.

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What if Big V agrees to a substantial pay cut?

I know they are rare…. but with talk of players wanting to be here now… and the fact he is coming off back surgery….

he isn’t getting more than a 1 year prove deal anywhere.

What number would be a good number to have him prove it here?

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I’d happily give Jonah 12m per. He’s getting more than that btw.

GG is the 10th paid OG at 11 mil average

Jackson will get north of 8 mil but I don’t think it will take 13 mil a year to resign him.

13+ mil would make him a top 8 paid OG. I do not think he gets that kind of money.

Big V is making 9 mil this year. I expect Jackson to get locked down in the 8-10 mil range.

I could be wrong on that. I was surprised at what GG got but I just don’t think Jackson gets north of 10 mil.

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You think so?

Like I said I could be wrong on this but I was thinking he’d be under a 10 mil average.

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I feel like 8-10m is a heck of a lot more reasonable than the 13-15m range suggested in the OP. That’s a whole other player or two you can add to the roster with that difference.

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Oh he will. He’s definitely getting more than Andrus Peat and Graham Glasgow. It’s probably going to be 5/65m and that would be a hometown discount.

On the open market I’m quite confident he’d command more than what Laken Tomlinson got.

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Possible but my gut tells me we’re going to be draft a starting caliber OG round two this year.

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Vaitai has 25m left cap hit wise. If we can get that down to 2/12m then I’ll take the injury risk. I’d still want to add a developmental OG but then we could wait until the 5th round.

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I don’t want to pay him big dollars especially with the investment in our tackles and center. You can’t pay everyone.

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Is he better than Ben Power of the Ravens who started this year as back up an ended you playing really well an being a starting OG
Powers was among the top pass-protectors last season with the Baltimore Ravens. The 6-foot-4, 340-pounder didn’t allow a sack the entire season and while he isn’t the best run blocker, he’s still the top guard available this spring.
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/rankings/cap-hit/guard/
Take a look at what OGs are making sure he is not worth what some are getting but look at who the cheap ones are. Some here don’t want to pay Jackson but would gladly throw millions at some 34 year old that can’t even run or give a has been a 4 year contract an take dead money hit in couple years

I am as careful as another with Cap but I let Brown walk rework Big V if healthy an sign Jackson during season for 5 years
You want to create a hole when there is no need . Some same posters don’t want to pay Jackson but want to give away beans an trade for a CB who has shown his play is slipping Jalen Ramsey an he only really is involve short period of time yet Jackson is there every OL snap. He will be 29
DOB (Age): 10/24/1994 (28) I would pay Jackson less for more years any day of week.

Its time Lions stopped being the retirement contract team an rewards the players who earned the new deals

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Hard pass myself for a guard making 12 mill per season… 3 years 26-28 mill sounds about right… guards are not and will never be game changing positions.

Sure you can pay everyone who earned a contract tell me what team let top end players who are young walk. Only teams who also over paid there Vets .

Look at Rams you want example or GB or Saints an in past the Lions. Holmes who got rid of like maybe 50 million in dead cap to clean the out the mess he had with old players making big money.

Now fans want to be cheap on a young player who is very good an earn his first deal. He earned it with good play not time served.

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It’s a paradigm shift!

I agree just wanted to share the song

He wasn’t a “real” pro bowl selection. He was one of the replacements for the real pro bowl player.

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I guess there are going to be some disappointed people when Jonah signs his extension :man_shrugging:

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The whole Jalen Ramsey thing is a completely different story that I won’t get into, but I will just wholeheartedly disagree with the premise that he is showing his ‘play is slipping’ as that is just objectively false.

The Lions are already near the top of the league in OL spending. Paying Jackson 13m-15m would make them #1 by a large margin. Paying 4 OL near the top of the league at their position(s) just isn’t sustainable if you want to have a balanced team. Unfortunately, you can’t afford to keep everyone. THIS IS A GOOD PROBLEM TO HAVE. It results in comp picks as well. And as the Lions continue to get better and better roster wise, they’re going to be faced with these types of dilemmas more and more.

Now, the major thing that is in the background of this is a possible huge expansion of the salary cap. So maybe we’re just having a conversation about nothing.

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