True. difference is I think Tua wanted to play. Crosby didnt. He didn’t go to OTAs, (said he was homesick) skipped mandatory weight room sessions (said it was a scheduling conflict) came to camp way overweight and hadn’t reviewed the playbook. The nine snaps he played in the preseason game against the Colts he was terrible.
And reviewing the timeline there was only about three-ish weeks he went from complaining about back pain to seeing a back specialist who made the official diagnosis of degenerative disks. In the ‘real world’ that’s at the speed of light. Try calling a back specialist right now and see how long the wait is
My guess is his back hurt all off-season (and probably why he was so out of shape) skipped the lifting session because it would be apparent how messed up he was and hid being hurt as long as he could, to land on the IR and not the NFI
Smart of him but weird he badmouthed the Lions. I don’t see what the Lions did wrong except express disappointment he missed OTAs and mandatory lifting. This isn’t anywhere close to the Dolphins situation
Is there a medical doctor in the Den who can provide a medical opinion? Bottom line, a private practitioner - a new patient comes in and it’s TUA!!! I’m guessing furst thing you do is order an MRI. Then, before the nurses and staff can take Tua to imaging you give him a super quick simple mental aquity test. you say 3 totally random words and ask him to repeat them. He fails miserably.
What do you do? No images yet. Also, Tua states that no vomiting or nausea. and just feels beaten up, normal feeling after a game.
So what do you do?
I haven’t looked at the net for current health status of Tua. Any current updates?
The contorted Tua fingers thing is very familiar to me
I’ve been through a number of crazy health scares and figure I’ve got about 1-2 of my 9 lives left
At some point through it all, and ever since, my fingers occasionally do a Tua. It can be quite painful. I’ve learned to deal with it before it gets out of control like in those photos, but man, I hate it when it comes.
I remember reading that he told the lions about his back issues and they pretty much disregarded it. That it wasn’t that the lions made him play injured or caused him to get injured but that they weren’t taking his injury concerns seriously and so he was missing the lifting sessions etc. and then after the debacle he got surgery and the training staff was cannned.
That is my point… That role is designed to cover the league’s posterior, which means he or she is incentivized to not let players go back on into a game. People in these kinds of roles get penned in to bring hyper risk averse, because there’s only downside to saying yes, none to saying no.
Unlike the armchair MDs here, I’m not making any claim to know the medical details. The diagnosis could have been correct, it could be wrong. None of us have the details, and few (if any) of is have the training to know.
What I’m saying is that the risk asymmetry and interests of the parties involved don’t match up with the conspiracy theories here. The League would sacrifice the playing time of a thousand Tuas not to have this kind of bad PR, and the role of independent doctor was put in place to do just that.
What’s the supposed big payoff for the risk of intentionally misdiagnosing a player? A rando QB plays in a rando regular season game? That doesn’t seem like the sort of calculated money decision the League makes.
I can buy the idea of incompetence. I can buy the idea of the medical professionals knowing more than us and being correct with a diagnosis that seems hard for us to understand. I can’t buy a big conspiracy.
I didn’t say the concussion did or didn’t happen, it’s obvious that it happened (the one Thursday night). I’m saying that there’s absolutely no way of knowing if the hit Thursday would or would not have been a concussion had he not sustained the head injury the Sunday before. Again, once you get one concussion, it’s easier to get a second one.
Here is the main issue with your version of the debate.
Tua was never even put into concussion protocol Sunday. The doctor signed off on the “its only a back issue” story the team wanted so that he would have the option of going back into the game. Putting him into the protocol would also have guaranteed he couldn’t play Thursday because its so hard to pass all of the tests by that time. There are doctors all over the league that fit your description. Clearly the guy who was assigned in Tua’s situation on Sunday does not.
No we are not doctors but we also are not stupid. We know what certain injuries look like. Noone needed a PHD to know that something was seriously wrong with Trey Lance’s leg. What happened to Tua on Sunday was all over the internet. We knew what we saw. What happened on Thursday confirmed what we already knew on Sunday. I will give you another example - Sterling Shepard on Monday Night Football. Stupid fans without PHDs that watch alot of football instantly knew it was an ACL. There is a chance that it wasn’t. But if they came back and said it was just a back strain, we’d be looking at the team doctor sideways. Everything we saw from Tua was all of the telltale signs of someone that “got their bell rung.” He got slammed on the back of his head. He got up “trying to shake the cobwebs out.” He then wobbled and collapsed, and was unable to stand under his own weight for a minute. He had the look of “what is going on” on his face…and he wasn’t reaching for his back (telltale sign of a back injury). Normally in the NFL that gets you pulled from the game and placed into concussion protocol, and you have a series of things that you need to prove to the doctors to be able to play again. He was never even put into the protocol, which tells you everything you need to know about how the situation was handled. This is not hindsight. We called it in real time and Thursday confirmed that stupid fans without PHDs were 100% correct and something shady happened on Sunday.
In effect that’s what they are I suppose
I view them as a spasm type thing as well
But why would they come?
Never had them before I went through all the health problems
The fingers get all messed up — very similar to what Tua did — comes out of nowhere
I brome down the timeline of Crosby’s back injury when the story broke…. and I agree with @TNutZz ……
I think Crosby may have injured his back in the offseason and then didn’t report it so that he would get paid his full salary.
If he didn’t hurt his back in the offseason…
then he showed up terribly out of shape with no excuse….
and also skipped mandatory mini-camp in a contract year….
with a new coaching staff/GM in place.
His actions were highly questionable with the available info…
You can believe what you like and I’ll read Crosby story from his perspective while realizing it’s his perspective and I don’t have all the info.
You can present like the lions are above it
But we all saw the Lions allow Stafford to return to the field with one arm to protect himself in a meaningless regular season game
That had the worst occurred , a sack or big hit to staffird , his career could’ve been forever changed. Sure Stafford made choice to go out there but that’s why team need to protect the player from themselves while the team also protects its investment
Lions have had strange medical situations before you totally rule the lions as so much better than the rest of the industry.
A non throwing shoulder injury doesn’t equal a brain injury. The Dolphins deserve all the criticism they are getting.
I have zero problem with that Lions staff letting Stafford play with a hurt shoulder
The closest thing with the Lions that compares to Tua is Best and the Lions were incredibly careful with him, making him stay in concussion protocols until he just retired
Y’all skip where my point is
Stafford couldn’t protect himself
Meaningless game
Very reckless use of your greatest asset
But the pressure and pay and deal made Calvin play when he couldn’t practice
One arm
Not working had a defender got through and slammed Stafford like Tua arguably Stafford would have been more vulnerable with this me arm.
Same team they let him play for dim head coach with a broken back like it was worth it and lions had a chance
I’m not even saying it’s all true , but I do believe it’s complicated with varying factors from money , peer pressure , pride , toughness , or insecurity , opportunity of a lifetime , etc
That contribute to the issue
We saw lions staff tell Swift he had to be tougher. Now we hear them say he wants to play but they held him
Back.
There’s a decent book from the raiders doctor of the 70-80s who talked a lot on the conflicts and motivations for the position.
