Had to dig deep into the memory banks for passers with 40-45% completion percentages.
If itâs the university failing to uphold agreed to terms than shame on them.
If the kid is trying to change terms based on performance than shame on him. Thereâs a right and a wrong way to do that and (if true) what he is doing is the wrong way.
This sport dynamic has changed so much based on the $. I donât mind players getting paid and support it.
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They tried to simply say ânoâ for the last two decades. They didnât âcaveâ because of pressure from fans or media. They changed the rules because they kept losing in court. Because judge after judge after judge told them the same thing: âYou are a multi-billion-dollar media business, not a charity, and you have no right to collude to prevent adults from getting paid the going rate for their talent and work if the institutions making those billions want to pay them.â
The NCAA and power conferences can try to change the law (theyâve failed so far), or they can stop running their business as an illegal cartel (or be forced to). Those are the only options. What youâre demanding is that they return to the plug-your-ears-and-say âla la la I canât hear youâ stage of this process.
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I mean I completely see your point.
But is this not the same for pro players or is it OK for them to leave in free agency?
And yes I am being sarcastic.
My point is a deal was struck. The powers that be at the school have not held up their end of the deal. You are bringing 1970s thinking into this. That these pro athletes and yes they are pro athletes just in the minors did not get paid. The colleges have benefitted greatly financially from this sport and the players have been paid peanuts while say the coaches were getting paid millions
Now I agree with the problem of guys jumping teams as a huge problem and a dissatisfaction in the game.
Yep, breach of contract.
The kid is in the right, although itâs a good lesson to get everything in writing.
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Some more contextâŚ
So a coach on UNLVâs $8 million staff told a guy in Massachusetts that if he picked up his life and moved across the country to play for them, instead of one of the other schools that were offering him an NIL deal, theyâd pay him $100,000. (That is, less than two tenths of 1% of the schoolâs athletic budget, or 1.2% of what UNLV pays its coaches.) He agreed and passed on other offers. Now the school is shrugging and saying, Sorry, we donât have the money to keep our promise. But the player is the one who has no loyalty??? He held up his end of the bargain, taking the team to 3-0, and in return the school scammed him out of 100 grand!
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So, serious question what is the status of amateur athletics in the Olympics? Seems like if you are âThe Dream Teamâ then ok you are both millionaires and Olympic athletes. But you guys over here⌠nope purity of the game and you canât go pro and be in the Olympic games. Fair points on losing in court. Just seems odd that la la la la la worked since New Jersey v Rutgers circa 1869 until just now. If you are an 18 year old HS football player do you have to get paid minimum wage if the game is broadcast on TV? Inquiring mindsâŚ
As you spend 50hours a week doing something you donât want to do for a paycheck
How does that eggplant 
taste
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Olympic sports are one of the big open questions. Although in theory at least, NIL was supposed to mirror the Olympics model, where players can generate money from sponsorships and endorsements, even if theyâre not getting directly paid.
As far as whatâs changed recently since 1869, itâs just the money that big-time college sports generates. The SEC just signed a $3 billion deal with ESPN. The Big Tenâs last TV deal in 2022 was for $7 billion, though itâs poised to increase now that theyâve added the Los Angeles, Washington and Oregon markets.
Tuition plus room and board can be considered reasonable compensation when youâre playing for a school whoâs primary business is being a school. (And there are still plenty of US schools where thatâs the case.) When youâre playing for a multi-billion-dollar media property, generating hundreds of millions annually for literally everyone else involved in the business except the people directly playing the sport, the âfair compensationâ argument gets a little weak.
As Justice Kavanaugh wrote when the Supreme Court ruled (unanimously) that the NCAA was violating anti-trust laws:
"The NCAAâs business model would be flatly illegal in almost any other industry in America. Nowhere else can businesses get away with agreeing not to pay their workers a fair market rate on the theory that their product is defined by not paying their workers a fair market rate.
All of the restaurants in a region cannot come together to cut cooksâ wages on the theory that âcustomers preferâ to eat food from low-paid cooks. Law firms cannot conspire to cabin lawyersâ salaries in the name of providing legal services out of a âlove of the law.â Hospitals cannot agree to cap nursesâ income in order to create a âpurerâ form of helping the sick. News organizations cannot join forces to curtail pay to reporters to preserve a âtraditionâ of public-minded journalism. Movie studios cannot collude to slash benefits to camera crews to kindle a 'spirit of amateurismâ in Hollywood.
Price-fixing labor is price-fixing labor. The current NCAA model is suppressing the pay of student athletes who collectively generate billions of dollars in revenues for colleges every year. Important traditions that have become part of the fabric of America cannot justify the NCAAâs decision to build a massive money-raising enterprise on the backs of student athletes who are not fairly compensated."
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You pay to get into a HS football game. Do High Schools âcolludeâ to not properly compensate those delivering the product? IE The Left Guard?
The players deserve to be paid, but right now itâs just the wild wild west. There has to be some sort of oversight.
If only there was an organization the schools could create and empower to oversee and enforce NIL agreements. Hmmm⌠
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If a bunch of high schools signed a $3 billion TV deal and started charging $200 per ticket and up to get into their games, while requiring that all participating high schools agree not to give athletes a dime, then yes, those schools would be colluding to violate anti-trust law and operating an illegal cartel.
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This is basically what the NCAA and conferences are trying to implement with their âNIL clearinghouseâ idea in the House settlement, but the judge said thatâs still an illegal restriction on playersâ ability to earn market-rate compensation, and told them to go back to the drawing board.
So again, the NCAA has a choice: they can beg Congress to grant them an anti-trust exemption (which so far Congress has been uninterested in doing), or they can enter collective bargaining with athletes.
The olympic sports are going to pay the price for Bball and Fball NIL deals, itâs already happening. Schools are having to shut down olympic sports as they canât afford them anymore. Olympics will pay the price in the long term.
So itâs not the process, itâs the disparity at question? That is the difference in right and wrong, or legal and illegal? MehâŚ
I have no idea what the best way to oversee it would be, way outside my purview. But thereâs got to be an organization they can go to when they donât get paid, just like us. The Department of Labor? A Workforce Commission? Someone, somewhere. Employees generally have some recourse, at least in America.
As long as they have gender neutral break dancingâŚ
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I dunno, Iâd argue itâs the disparity that makes it cartel-level illegal price-fixing, in a way that itâs not in other scenarios. In your example for instance, 99.99% of high school football programs are nonprofit entities that cost far more money than they generate. The $5 you pay to get into a HS football game covers some of those costs. Nobody is making $3 billion selling the rights to watch a HS left guard play football.
For big-time college football, people ARE making billions of dollars selling the rights to broadcast those games. Because thereâs a free market for college TV rights in a way that thereâs not for college Oline play, and thatâs what the market says those TV rights are worth.
The starting left guard for Alabama (or Georgia, or Michigan, or Ohio State) obviously brings something of value to the table in helping create that billion-dollar product. Somebody would be willing to compensate that guy at a rate closer to his actual market valueâexcept that all of his potential employers, who are splitting up the billions of dollars those TV rights generate, are colluding to prevent that.
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I donât get the prostitute thing. If she finds out there is no money she was promised, why should she continue to give the John, uh, customer his end of the deal when she finds out she wonât get paid? How is that any different than ANY party not honoring their commitments after work has been started. The qb simply expected that promises made to him, just like the prostitute, should be kept and paid and if not BOTH have every right to stop the JOB they are doing and say, âwhoa, you have decided to not keep our agreement, ok, then everything stops right here until we figure it out or call it off and go our seperate waysâ So why would a prostitute do any differently than anyone else who had a partner in an agreement bail out before the âJOBâ was done? Please explain. This qb did EXACTLY what anyone should do if someone you made a deal with tells you they arenât going to live up to their end they agreed to.
Not a thing wrong with these players being paid when they bring in millions and millions to these schools. These schools have been ripping off the athletes for decades, I am glad that crap is over.
