He is viewed as OT3 by everyone. You, me, our FO.
But, as with any OT3, you want them to be able to step in and start should the need arise. We’re saying that landing, say, the next Jared Verse in the 1st round qualifies as “the need arose.” If a guy you’ve evaluated to be a stud falls to you at 17, how can you pass on him?
You’ve resorted to insults now. What I’m stating is not supported by data at all? So this offensive line wasn’t the biggest problem last year aside from injures?
You can’t. Thats why the plan is dumb. Larry Borom isn’t enough. You’ve basically said it yourself.
Who would that be? All I see is Faulk and Freeling.
If we stay at 17 and grab Faulk, then I bet every dollar we trade up with 50 using our 4th for an OT on day 2.
This is true of every team.
What this really boils down to is a disagreement about how you service that engine. I would rather have a better player than Borom at RT, for sure. But if that means passing on a stud elsewhere, well I’m not doing that. Just the way I would operate a team, you wouldn’t, fair enough. I think long term drafting stars is a better strategy than filling short-term needs.
I also think we can have all the talent in the world, like say we did last year, but if the OC isn’t running the offense right, it won’t matter. THAT to me is far more crucial. The success of the OL rests on Petzing’s shoulders far more than it does any more moves at this point to me.
See that’s the downside of you popping into the middle of this one lol. I’ve been discussing it with @JD9 for a few days, but I would absolutely take Downs and Bain over any OT, and would agonize over Styles vs. Mauigoa. So if those guys fell, I would pull the trigger on them and try and figure out something else at T. Probably try and trade up from 50, but if that doesn’t work out and I’m stuck starting Borom, so be it. I’m thrilled having Bain or Downs on the team.
All of which is highly unlikely, which is why I don’t know why we’re wasting so much breath over it lol
No I wouldn’t pass on that player in the draft. I would sign more than Larry Borom pre draft IF I thought there was a player of the caliber you were suggesting makes it to me.
You and I have talked about this. They put so much time into the draft process that they have a pretty good idea the likelyhood of XYZ players make it to them. If those chances are even just 25% that you would pass on a OT, you better bring in another tackle as insurance.
And OLine is very important for every team, but it’s not equally important. Goff is one of the worst movers within the pocket I’ve ever seen. He doesn’t even try to avoid rushes at all. He either throws his first read or dirts it. It’s what he has to do because of him limitations.
MAYBE they have an agreement with Decker that if their plan A doesn’t go through, he will come back as the starter after the draft. That’s the only way for me, as it stands now, passing on OT makes sense as a legit plan. This idea that Borom alone has created a floor for passing on OT isn’t smart, it’s embarrassingly bad.
When it comes to Borom, part of me thinks it kind of depends what Brad turns up draft time.
My own feeling (and I think this is becoming consensus if it isn’t already) is that Blake Miller is the safest and most sensible pick. It’s a big need at a position where it’s very difficult to find top tier talent. He’s experienced and feels super safe. From what I’ve heard, he’s also a decent guy which we know is important to us. And he’s almost certain to be there at #17.
On the flip-side, I tend to think that Holmes likes to gamble and very rarely does what we expect. I’d guess that he’ll pass on Miller if he likes someone more - even if it means cobbling together the tackle position.
Yes, but we didn’t.
Again, this is an evaluation disagreement. You really believe Borom is trash. Our FO, clearly, does not. I am undecided, but I think his ceiling is higher than you do and despite being undecided, wouldn’t pass on a star in the 1st.
Hell if he just repeated what he did last year down the stretch, we’d be fine.
No. Not really.
You started to ratchet up the antagonism with this. That is despite me simply asking for you to support with actual evidence that Borom sucks.
I assume bc you didn’t have any such evidence you opted for the above.
I responded with the above. I didn’t attack you as a person. I critiqued your arguments. That last sentence is merely mirroring. You clapped at me with some saltiness so I clapped back.
Really nothing to see here but if you want to play the victim card that’s fine.
All I was really wanting was an actual argument as to why you are so sure that Borom is rotten.
Enjoy the debate. But I also think we should be prepared for Brad jumping the shark and doing something that will make heads explode here.
I think we can safety rule out any offensive skills player. RB, WR, TE, and of course QB. C too.
All of those not because there isn’t a guy they could fall in love with, but because of budgetary constraints.
That leave OT on offense. On defense I don’t think there is a single position that is off the table, although CB might be.
Someone who’s more tuned into this draft than I should maybe start a WTF poll on who Brad might grab in the first that would send the board into meltdown.
I do not believe Borom is trash 
You are of the belief that Cleveland is going to reach for Freeling at 6 right? Why is that the right decision? They have Tytus Howard and Dewand Jones. They actually have zero chance of competing at all. So I say it makes more sense for them to ignore need entirely and take the BPA. But you are pretty convinced they take OT
Dolphins schedule down the stretch was trash.
He can’t run block well at all.
And penalities at very bad times.
I like him as a backup, fill in for a week in case of injury instead of Manu, or Jumbo TE fine.
But c’mon man you guys and this Borom stretch is insane.
What is with this insane Borom infatuation that he is the answer to our OT2 problems all of a sudden???
That was shorthand for “not good enough to be our starter.”
Nobody thinks that we are totally done at OT.
From the terms of his deal it is clear IMO that this is about optionality. We have never spent that sort of money on the Dan Skipper role. We also are unlikely to respond to a down OL year with such a muted response.
Borom is IMO clearly the in between.
Why doesn’t Christian Izien get this type of love at Safety???
We don’t need Brian Branch back. We’ve “established the floor at safety with optionality in Izien”
It would not surprise me at all if Brad took a player like RB Love or TE Sadiq if they were available.
https://x.com/i/status/2032828678292336948
This ain’t Dan Skipper money
See, this is going to turn into me being some sort of Borom-lover. This is the short-hand that starts it. I am not. Here’s what I just said:
He is a swing tackle type for me right now, that is all. BUT
I allow for the possibility I am wrong.
I can clearly read the plan our FO is crafting.
I would absolutely take average T play if it means adding a superstar in the 1st somewhere else.
I am of the general belief that passing on talent for need in the draft is the way you draft busts and stay bad.
So no, I don’t love Borom. He’s an intriguing FA pickup, that is all. One that in a very specific situation that is unlikely to come to pass, I would be OK starting.
That ain’t Taylor Decker or Penei Sewell money either