Michigan had to respond and they took their sweet time, the maximum allowed. did you forget about that. Every accusation you make about me is an admission. I get why you would want to muck it up though.
Yeah well, Sherrone did it. I guess Harbaugh is too good for that? But keep being dramatic.
Dan, again every accusation is an admission. Maybe you have to let go and admit that Michigan violated rules and that gave them a competitive advantage on the field. You can’t even admit Harbaugh should not be allowed to coach at Michigan anymore…that “easily” discredits your opinion.
Also, OSU got beat by Michigan last year. Day and Kelly screwed the pooch. You happy? Do you not remember me calling for Day’s head unless he won the natty? But as bad as you don’t want to admit it, there is a pall over the other victories and there always will be.
So do you admit the notice of allegations was known to the press almost a year ago or not? I’m not sure what you are saying here.
If my employer asked me to hand over my personal phone in its entirety with no restrictions on what they could access, I would refuse. I’m pretty sure you would as well. They didn’t need that.
I have maintained Michigan violated rules. That has been consistent, but no I do not believe Connor Stallions mom outsmarted Ryan Day. We disagree here. I think your coach is better than that.
Everyone knew Ohio State was stealing signs. The outrage wasn’t directed at Meyer/Day, it was directed at Harbaugh and more specifically Don Brown for failing to adapt. The second the playing field is leveled though, look out.
You are playing games. You always do this when you lose an argument. It is entirely appropriate to ask for cell phone records and texts as those being investigated by the NCAA have a duty to cooperate. Which is why Moore did what he did. It wasn’t a problem in Tenn when the coaches turned over their phones records with boosters. Or when Louisville’s coaches had to turn over their records. Its expected and it can be viewed as not cooperating. Its actually a level one violation by itself. But I suppose Harbaugh is “special” because he’s your guy…
Yes, sure they violated the rules with no expectation of gaining a competitive advantage and the coaches didn’t know and Connor Stallions mom was running the whole operation. Have fun in la la land.
“Associate athletic director Brian Voltolini and Meyer “discussed at that time whether the media could get access to Coach Meyer’s phone, and specifically how to adjust the settings on Meyer’s phone so that text messages older than one year would be deleted,” the summary of findings detailed. When Meyer turned his phone over to the investigative team, it had no text messages that were older than one year.
While that is not an admission of guilt, the investigators found it “nonetheless concerning that his first reaction to a negative media piece exposing his knowledge of the 2015-16 law enforcement investigation was to worry about the media getting access to info and discussing how to delete messages older than one year.”
“Meyer initially said he was previously unaware of any domestic issues between the Smiths that occurred during the time that Zach Smith was a coach at Ohio State. He backtracked shortly after being placed on leave, saying instead that he misspoke when first answering questions about Smith and that he followed proper protocol in reporting the incident in 2015”
Misspoke? Go get em Ted. Your guy first deleted text messages, then lied. I don’t know how we can draw any conclusion other than he lost institutional control. That’s how this works, right?
Unreal to me how this is still going… All these teams are cheating. Some get caught. Some don’t. It’s the wild west out there in the NIL portal. Every single coach in NCAA football is guilty of violations if they were looked into it.
No Dan, that’s not how it works since that the investigation was not about running afoul of the NCAA. The NCAA wasn’t even involved. Or being a repeat offender already on probation with the NCAA. Or refusing to cooperate or even be interviewed by the NCAA. Keep trying!
No, he just did nothing about a guy slapping the shit out of his wife, deleted text that showed how long he knew and then lied he knew anything about it. You’re right though, he didn’t “run afoul” with the NCAA. I think you missed Harbaugh’s point here. Why didn’t it run afoul with the NCAA? You don’t think it should have?
I can’t imagine why Jim Harbaugh would say the whole system is bullshit, but please lecture on. I’m enjoying this.
Gee, why do you think it didn’t run afoul of the NCAA? Because issues such as domestic abuse are not in the purvey of the NCAA rules of competition, and instead are overseen by the institutions themselves? lol. You are so desperate to draw everyone down to “everyone does it” instead of just being men and taking your medicine. You’d be better off just saying screw it “we cheated and I would have gotten away with it too if it weren’t for those blasted kids and that dog”. I don’t even like Urban Meyer!
Dude, he literally did every single thing you are upset with Moore about and had to sit 3 games for it. You don’t think that’s enough for Moore. Only Moore deleted texts, they were retrieved, handed over to the NCAA and did not incriminate him. 2 games? Not enough because he lied. It’s fake outrage because God forbid your team lose a few times.
I didn’t say it wasn’t enough for Moore. I think its funny Meyer got three games and Moore two. I guess Ohio State is tougher on their coaches than Michigan. Seeing how Moore is a repeat offender. But regardless, Urban did lie about something he shouldn’t have despite it not being about competitive rules (big distinction here).
Its not fake outrage I realize no program is perfect. (Notice I had nothing to say about Harbaugh’s recruiting issues when they came out) But you seem to refuse to admit that what Michigan did gave them a competitive advantage and you also seem to think nothing is going to happen. I’m just saying don’t be surprised if its worse than you seem to think.
You think deleting non-incriminating text with an analyst before handing them over is the same covering for a coach beating his wife?
I don’t think for a second your team lost because of Connor Stallions. I think that is absurd scapegoating. I do think they violated rules and sitting games is a legit punishment, but that has never been enough for some people. That’s why we are two years out and still playing this game. Enough already.
Its only two years because Michigan put up a fight. It always takes a long time for these investigations. You say “oh its been two years” when back then you were screaming due process for the immediate suspensions “were in the middle of a natty run”. You just want your cake and eat it too. And again, Moore was a repeat offender. He had already served a suspension for breaking rules. Now he was trying to obstruct.
I don’t expect you to believe that Connor Stallions won you games. Because to admit that would crush you. But that doesn’t mean what you believe is true. The sad thing is I think you probably would have beat us anyway. Who knows now though. You guys had a lot of good players (of which some were recruited in a way that violated NCAA rules). That is the entire problem with what Michigan did. They put it all in doubt.
You beat me to it. You wanted them punished before the investigation and you also want to drag it out because we have to know the results of the investigation. Which is it? You are correct, I wanted the results of the investigation before a punishment, but you wanted them punished first. We couldn’t wait, so the suspension was handed out. So it should be over now, right? Moore sitting two games should be the end of it, but that’s not what you want. You want this to live on.
I’ve said many times I think Stallions advice to stop signaling their defense until the last minute won them games. That’s just not illegal.
