No matter what side of the argument you are on, that shit was funny. Or it could just say “NCAA”
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Urban, Wednesday:
Cover up for and repeatedly rehire and promote a serial wife abuser? Totally cool.
Oversee a program that averaged 5 arrests per year among the players, with a total of 10 for violent crimes, some against women?
No problema!
Put together a staff of winners like Zach Smith, Greg Schiano, Kevin Wilson?
“Leaders create culture” - Urban Meyer
But [gasp!] lie to the NCAA?
Clutch my pearls, that man has got to go!
additionally:
Meyer responded to Zach Smith spending $600 at a strip club on a recruiting trip by adding a morals stipulation to the OSU coaching contract - THEN - allowed a coed to publicly grind on him
Meyer urged staffers to delete text messages from his personal devices AND OSU was slow to deliver those messages to investigators
AND
Meyer was caught lying to the NCAA (among others)
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So, do you have a point?
Nope
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Top football coaches alive or active?
He is not near number 1. I am not sure he is top 5. But he is very good.
With Saban done (he is not even close to Saban) and Urban done (and I get it you are combining NFL and College) Harbs climbs some. But he is not even the best coach in his family.
Harbs is good. Definitely in the top tier of football coaches. I am just not sure you can put him top 5 active coaches.
If he was in college I would rank him below Smart for sure. And then maybe we put him 2 with Day 3?
But in the NFL he is for sure below (in no order)
His Brother
Reid
McVay
Shannahan
Tomlin
Pete Carroll? Honestly the dude has a Natty and a SB
And I get it. You are likely a huge UM fan or a SF fan and appreciate what he has done for your teams. But there are a lot of great coaches out there.
He needs to win that SB ring and he will then be in some seriously unique ground. Barry Switzer, Jimmy Johnson, and Pete Carroll are the only 3 to have done it.
Well, yeah first of all the NCAA said its legal. What Michigan did was against the rules.
Second, you completely ignore the sort of advantage what Connor Stallions’ operation gave Michigan and act like its the same level of advantage. You should know as well as I do that a coach tipping another coach off to a sign he stole vs a common opponent is vastly limited information compared to what Connor Stallions’ centralized operation did which was filming opponents signals in advance and decoding them, matching them to all 22 and then practicing against them. It would give them more scale, more precision, and the ability to game plan around detailed and reliable information that they deciphered themselves instead of getting it second hand is small pieces here and there. Again, if there were no advantage to be had they wouldn’t do it.
Its like having the same class with a friend but his class is earlier in the day. On your way into the class to take a test you bump into him. And he says "hey make sure you know X because I remember it was one of the questions. And so that helps you some. Compared to you breaking in and stealing a copy of the test before the exam where you can practice taking it, you know exactly what the questions are, and you got the full answer key.
For the record, at Ohio State Urban never lied to the NCAA There was no NCAA investigation. So I get your point, but he can still say it and not be a hypocrite…at least about the NCAA.
Not to mention what Urban Meyer was suspended for did not have to do with the competitive integrity of the entire game of college football. It had to do with the ethical integrity of the university.
I love it, Buckeye fans just keep arguing and arguing and are never happy…mostly because even when they win a Natty it’s tainted by losing to a shit Michigan team at home. LOL
I get it…
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You have quite the imagination. I learn each time this topic comes up how deeply this is rooted in your soul.
The stuff you choose to dramatize and the stuff you choose to down play is the highlight of these threads.
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You want to bury coaches on technicalities while saving others on technicalities. I wonder how you determine which goes down and which gets saved?
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I will tell you this. Outside of U of M fans, no one gives a shit about who won the regular season game when either team wins a natty. That’s dumb. Would we care if the Lions lost to every division rival once by 40 if we won’t the SB that season? Literally no one cares about the regular season matchups. Both those franchises (I guess that’s what we should call them now) are playing for bigger things.
Michigan fans care a lot less about winning that game than they do finding enjoyment in how much it pisses off that fanbase that it happened. This topic keeps coming up because these losses have to be “explained”. We all agree it is dumb to worry about one game in the bigger picture.
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I’m so glad I don’t have to worry about that anymore. My team doesn’t play Michigan anymore. But I does tickle me to see these threads and to see Michigan’s two biggest rivals still crying about Stalions and Harbaugh….
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Ted, do you realize how far you are going here. You are arguably making it sound like Urban Meyer is a man of outstanding character that didn’t cheat as a CFB Head Coach.
News flash Ted, Urban cheated way more than Michigan ever has. You just don’t have a peek behind the curtain. Keep white knighting with your ESPN/CBS Sports articles though
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And I wonder, Dan, why are you so desperate to say Ohio State is no different than Michigan? The ‘holier than thou’ pretense of objectivity you like to wallow in doesn’t wash as well as you think. How is pointing out that Urban didn’t lie to the NCAA a technicality when you are trying to compare his behavior to Michigan’s. Hell, he actually reported that coach to his supervisors (the AD) before the investigation was opened. And I don’t need to act like Urban’s behavior was model behavior. It just simply didn’t affect the competitive integrity of the game like Michigan’s NCAA violations have. Not hard to undertand really unless it benefits you to not understand…
right, like it takes a vivid imagination to figure out what Michigan would do with information they broke NCAA rules to get. They probably just recorded it and that was the end of it. lol That’s probably why Stallions sprinted off hard drives put them in the bottom of some pond in AA.
Ted you are not being truthful here buddy. Urban did not report Zach Smith to his superiors. He denied even knowing that Smith was being investigated for domestic violence. Courtney Smith’s allegations is what led to the investigation and ultimate firing of Zach Smith. Urban and his wife tried to cover that up as much as you say Michigan tried or is trying to cover up the sign-stealing scandal!
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lol, I just double checked, you are right his superiors (the AD) told HIM about Zach Smith in 2015 when the incident happened and the police were called. They already knew. He wasn’t trying to hide anything from the Athletic Dept. You just aren’t right about what you think you are right about.
The administrators involved made a poor leadership decision in trying to help along Zach Smith (since he wasn’t charged) and get him counseling instead of doing what was formally necessary under title ix, which is why when it blew up in 2018 Ohio State had to hire a third party to investigate what happened and make sure they didn’t violate title ix (which there was never a violation). But they cooperated with investigators and did not lie to them. Unlike Harbaugh. And they didn’t have to dump hard drives into a lake. Oh, and they didn’t actually violate NCAA rules of competition. Oh, and they weren’t repeat offenders.
No I am right. Urban and his wife were both quoted as saying that they tried to help Smith. So if they were trying to help him then why didn’t neither one of them go to their superiors and report it? Because they were trying to cover it up that’s why.
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