Stafford Needs Everything to be Perfect

[Lionpile]

@Tcmouse

And I ve how you through shade on his Superbowl victory

I think you need to review the NFC championship game against the 49ers and the Super Bowl against the Bengals. Yes, the Rams got lucky.

[wolfcub36]

I’m getting sick of the saying “that X QB needs everything to be perfect.” all QB’s have to have a certain number of things to be right to operate at a high level, and no w

onder that once things start to mess up, QB’s are not “as good” as they once were….shocker !

[Tcmouse]

@Lionpile

Yes, the Rams got lucky

[Tcmouse]

@Lionpile

Wow. Matt left the Lions in 2020. Taylor Decker was drafted in 2016, Frank was drafted in 2018, Tomlinson was a first round pick in 2014, Reiff was drafted in the first in 2012. So basically, Matt didn’t have Sewell. But he did have easily a top five defense for several years, He had one of the top five all-time wide receivers for basically his entire time here, and he still couldn’t get it done. Goff has turned a fourth round pick into a Hall of Fame WR. I don’t want this to be a bash Matt Stafford post, because I like the guy and think he’s a hell of a QB. This is more a dig at posters who want to lay everything at the feet of Goff. There’s 21 other players out there responsible for L’s and W’s and Goff is still putting up good numbers.

This might be the most inaccurate post I’ve ever read.

Goff Made St Brown

[Lionpile]

@Tcmouse

This might be the most inaccurate post I’ve ever read.

Goff Made St Brown

Your hindsight is definitely 2020. If ARSB was so outstanding and everybody knew it, then please explain how he lasted until the fourth round. This should be good.

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@CMafia

I admit I was being a smart azz because i knew someone would make a thread like this. You guys who went hard on my reply are just making yourselves look bad. These extreme attempts at knocking Stafford down to make Goff look good are pathetic and most definately insecurity. There’s so much hate for the guy around here that it’s distrubing. And it’s not nessesary.

Stafford had a rough game for sure, but we are talking about a guy who is the front runner for MVP and who is having one of the best seasons for a QB in NFL history. He’s now being hailed as one of the best QB’s of all-time many putting him top 5!

I couldn’t be happier for the guy. You know why? Because I’m not a hater. I will forever love Stafford for the years he’s been here and how much he helped this team. I am a forever fan. I’m also a massive NFL fan period. There’s lot of players and teams I like, and I’m cheering for a lot of players for how well they’re playing. If Jaxon Smith Njigba beats the receiving record I would be very happy for the guy. Even though I care nothing for the Seahawks. I’m not a hater.

I think Goff is a pretty decent QB. Sometimes great. Sometimes not so great. Good enough to win it all for sure. I don’t hate Goff. I just dont have many nice things to say about him, including other players, and our coaches right now because I’m dissapointed. But I still do love them all.

You seem to like ex players and coaches better than you do current ones.

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@Lionpile

@Tcmouse

And I ve how you through shade on his Superbowl victory

I think you need to review the NFC championship game against the 49ers and the Super Bowl against the Bengals. Yes, the Rams got lucky.

Well the Super bowl was won by their defense and Cooper Kupp.
The Championship game and the one against the Bucs was probably more lucky.

[CMafia]

@Richard_Parker

Ok let me ask you….insert Stafford instead of Goff and things go exactly the same….would you be bashing Stafford??

This question can’t be answered. They’re both two different QB’s. Different skill-sets. I always thought Goff was in the middle. Good not great, but good enough to win. But I always thought Stafford is elite especially how he’s been playing this season. So, if Stafford was on this team playing like he’s been playing then no I wouldn’t bash him i’d praise him. But if he struggled I’d criticize him. Silly question.

But here is the real problem with your question: Why are you comparing them? Why not compare other players or even coaches? I am allowed to like Stafford, or Brock Purdy, or Tim Tebow or anyone else I damn well please. I’m not a hater.

I’m critical of the Lions because I care about them. I love Stafford and all, but he can go ahead and lose as long as we win.

[Lionpile]

@wolfcub36

I’m getting sick of the saying “that X QB needs everything to be perfect.” all QB’s have to have a certain number of things to be right to operate at a high level, and no w

onder that once things start to mess up, QB’s are not “as good” as they once were….shocker !

My point of this thread exactly.

[Tcmouse]

@Lionpile

Your hindsight is definitely 2020. If ARSB was so outstanding and everybody knew it, then please explain how he lasted until the fourth round. This should be good.

Lol, wow

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@Lionpile

@wolfcub36

I’m getting sick of the saying “that X QB needs everything to be perfect.” all QB’s have to have a certain number of things to be right to operate at a high level, and no w

onder that once things start to mess up, QB’s are not “as good” as they once were….shocker !

My point of this thread exactly.

Wolf gets it.
Nice post.

[Richard_Parker]

@CMafia

@Richard_Parker

Ok let me ask you….insert Stafford instead of Goff and things go exactly the same….would you be bashing Stafford??

This question can’t be answered. They’re both two different QB’s. Different skill-sets. I always thought Goff was in the middle. Good not great, but good enough to win. But I always thought Stafford is elite especially how he’s been playing this season. So, if Stafford was on this team playing like he’s been playing then no I wouldn’t bash him i’d praise him. But if he struggled I’d criticize him. Silly question.

But here is the real problem with your question: Why are you comparing them? Why not compare other players or even coaches? I am allowed to like Stafford, or Brock Purdy, or Tim Tebow or anyone else I damn well please. I’m not a hater.

I’m critical of the Lions because I care about them. I love Stafford and all, but he can go ahead and lose as long as we win.

The question surely can be answered. You are just avoiding your hypocrisy and bias-for. And why am I comparing them?? Same focking reason you are participating in this thread.

[Richard_Parker]

@wolfcub36

I’m getting sick of the saying “that X QB needs everything to be perfect.” all QB’s have to have a certain number of things to be right to operate at a high level, and no w

onder that once things start to mess up, QB’s are not “as good” as they once were….shocker !

[Richard_Parker]

@Lionpile

@Tcmouse

You can’t even compare the 2 teams the team and Oline Goff has played behind is at least 5 times better then any team Matt played on here.

But he did have easily a top five defense for several years

Ummm…no he didn’t. The Lions were the #2 defense in 2014…THATS IT!

[JD9]

Do you guys ever get tired of this?

[Lyonfan1]

That not true. Goff has a bottom 5-10 and may end up with his best season.

Stafford has the most 3 turnover games on nfl history and 2nd most pick 6s. He hasn’t succeeded with shitty OLs, he’s had highlights and good games. He’s only won and produced on stacked teams with great OLs

[Lionpile]

@JD9

Do you guys ever get tired of this?

No. This is what we do.

[Lyonfan1]

Try to process this….

Goff- better winning percentage

Goff- better completion percentage

Goff- better TD percentage

Goff- better YPA

Goff- better TD/INT ratio

Goff- better QB rating

Goff- more playoff appearances and wins by age 31

Stafford - higher int percentage

Stafford- higher sack percentage

Stafford- higher 3 TO game percentage

Stafford- more pick 6’s

So if Goff manages to win a SB in the next 3 seasons… he will be better in every possible category…. I’m not saying he’s better, but to argue he absolutely is not at least equal is absurd.

[JD9]

I’ll take Stafford comfortably…so would 98%+ of the football world. I guess we are all absurd

My friend, now do their playoff statistics

Not to mention…because context and situation doesn’t matter at all here, just statistics…it’s a good thing that Matt played on one of the worst franchises in sports for 2/3rds of his career. Otherwise this wouldn’t even be a debate. One thing Goff has had in his entire NFL career is stability. How many different regime turnovers did Matt Stafford have to endure here? You ignore everything that hurts your argument while putting complete emphasis on regular season statistics.

Goff played for Sean McVay and Dan Campbell all but one season in his career. Both elite coaches…but that doesn’t matter either, just statistics…sound absurd if you ask me

Goff is going to be the superior QB statistically. Despite both being pocket passers, they are completely different stylistic. Stafford attempts throws (and can also make them) that Goff wouldn’t even attempt. Goff is pretty conservative, Stafford is pretty aggressive. That leads to more incompletions and interceptions. And those, along with yards per attempt, are the driving factors in quarterback rating.

[Lyonfan1]

Can we do their playoff stats prior to age 33 since Goff isn’t 33 yet?