Stanford had Schwartz, Caldwell, Patrica by age 32… Goff had Fisher, McVay and Campbell?
If again you want to take out all the factors that favor Stafford go ahead…I mean can’t you see what you are doing? You want to only compare Matt’s time in Detroit which is ridiculous because nobody would’ve had success during that time.
Seriously answer this question…if the football world didn’t think EXTREMELY highly of Matt Stafford, how in the world did he make it 12 years playing for the same team despite not winning a thing? The new regime wanted to keep him but Stafford wanted out. He was then traded for a pretty big package despite accomplishing squat individually and team wise. How is that possible? It’s because there are very few talents like him 
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Are you seriously doing this? Trying to act as if Goff didn’t have a night and day better situation?
Yeah this conversation is pointless. Even though you know the things I’m saying are absolutely true, you are trying to spin them as if they are irrelevant or untrue. Thats a person not worth debating.
Stats are what matter to you and that’s fine. We can leave it alone.
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The funny part is that if we win the next 2… we are back in the drivers seat… and many refuse to accept the possibility… why? Because confidence followed by disappointment hurts more. So just believe it’s possible and enjoy.
Stafford is a great QB… by age 32 all he had proven was he had a strong arm, a will to win, and he couldn’t carry a team on his shoulders. Once given a real team, he’s won a SB…
When they restructure Sewell and Goff- sign 4 key players, draft well and win a SB next year- I’ll be enjoying the ride
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So on a good team.. Stafford looks elite and wins. So does Goff. On a bad team Stafford couldn’t do it alone and failed… so would Goff.
he had the #1-2 D and Calvin… it wasn’t a bad team bro. Not a playoff win..
he’s really talented, so is Goff.
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Who won’t be enjoying it? Thats not what we are talking about…
I’m fully on board with Goff and it’s his supporters who convinced me it was the obvious best choice for this team. I believe we go 4-1 and make the playoffs and we couldn’t do that without Goff. I’m 1000% on board with everything Detroit. Even love DC despite my disagreement with his in game coaching decisions.
Stafford is just better than Goff I find it absurd that anyone would think otherwise as you as well think in reverse. But he wanted out. And his trade help build this team for what it is. I wouldn’t change a thing.
Stats are the only thing that matter. Not just yards like Pad Statford was accused of. All of them
Wins… completion percentage… rating… all of it.
If their careers ended today- it’s clearly Stanford. They are 7 years apart bro.
You are 100% correct. One team he played on was awesome. He wasn’t very good that season. Got screwed with one of the worst calls ever in playoff history as far as I’m concerned…but that doesn’t matter, results do. He didn’t do squat in Detroit…I know that. Organization sucked and let him down.
But they aren’t the only thing that matters…if they did Stafford doesn’t last 12 years with the same organization. He doesn’t get dealt for two 1st round picks, a 3rd, and a pro bowl level/SB quarterback. Thats how good everyone knew he was despite him wanting out (meaning he had to be dealt). That is a crazy demand and return for a QB who did nothing.
It’s crazy if you really think about it…
stats can’t be the only thing that matters. If they were, every QB who played before 2000 would be considered bad or wouldn’t be in the conversation statistically. And before you say “duh” the game is different, well that’s exactly what I’m talking about. Factors beyond statistics matter when evaluating players. Staffords evaluation after sucking for 12 years was significantly higher than Goff. Despite being the far inferior QB statistically
Yes… but also proved that a QB can’t carry a team…. Gunslingers often don’t win rings…
Stafford, Marino, Rodger’s, Favre, Allen, Lamar, Vick… that’s a panel of the sexiest athletic trait QBs (arm, legs etc) can have and there are 3 rings in 100 plus seasons.
Being able to make all the throws isn’t really that important. Peyton, Brees, nor Brady could-
Funny stat as Drake Maye leads the MVP race… zero 300 yard games and just 2 games with 3 tds. However he’s got the highest completion percentage ever thru 25 games. So 69% with 275 yards 2 TDS and 0-1 Ints is the ideal QB game, and balanced run game with solid D….
Easy fella… what did Watson and Russ go for?
Here’s another one…Russ accomplished a ton before being traded. Watson was how old not even in his prime yet. And wasn’t he coming off like 11-5 season (don’t quote me on that)? Their situations aren’t comparable to Staffords…
seriously bro…
BTW, Maye is the MVP favorite? Because Stafford had a bad game? Statistically (which is what matters right) Stafford is having an Aaron Rodgers MVP type season.
my bad…I’ve avoided doing this for the better part of two years. I shouldn’t have got involved in the crazy tired debate haha. We are on the same team after all and rooting for the same QB to succeed here. This debate really just doesn’t matter to me anymore
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Hence the title of this thread… Stafford needs everything to be perfect.
Tell me what you mean, brother. How is it an out? (Honestly asking, not being facetious)
Bringing in Rat
Drafted Manhog last year
Manu may have been a gamble (TBD)
I’m guessing they expected the OG we drafted the year before last to be better (can’t remember his name)
He has done the opposite of bringing us a one’n’done… I’m sure they knew Ragz was gonna eventually give out, but didn’t expect his retirement as early as it came.
Just my opinion, but that Seems a bit dramatic and hyperbolic “gloom’n’doom”. We are a playoff contender, at this point (not SB contender).
You reeeeaaally think he doesn’t know what our weaknesses are…even after watching how much film they study, how many numbers they break down…the detailed scouting they do on our players, other teams players, and college prospects? Seems like a bypass to me. (Not being facetious…honest).
I think growth is their primary goal, and growth isn’t always linear.
We lost FIVE coaches, a pro bowl center, and got an early injury to a rookie starter.
Sewel - playing hurt
T-Deck - playing hurt
Ragnow replaced by GG
Manhog - injured and replaced by a backup (Frasier injured so 3rd stringer)
Ratledge is a rook who replaced a pro bowler from last year, in Zeitler
If we wanna pretend that play calling is more important than talent, we can. Ben Johnson would struggle like a. MF’r with this OL. Literally EVERY OL position was downgraded from last year, between injuries and backups having to step up. The only “Move” was letting Z go and replacing him with Rat.
In theory, Deck = Deck, GG a known downgrade from Rags, but with Manhog and Rat on either side of him, he should be okay (bandaid until we can upgrade). Sewell is expected to be Sewell.
Playcalling has to be different with this OL.
That’s your opinion brother, spending a few bucks on a position of dire need or addressing a obvious need, is not suggesting that your building short term as you were trying to imply. Everytime Brad ignores a need you say , Brad is not going one and done.
And Brad doesn’t know our needs or he over value’s his players badly. If Brad so good why did he not see this Oline problem coming , a lot here did. Why did he not address DE #2 , his words were , Were Good and then words cost us the season. Because Brad flat out missed that call and blew the season, if you have to wait on his Draft pic to develop , we being waiting on players every year , If Brad doesn’t change he will never get to the Superbowl. Brad is a good drafter witch excelled this team progress. But he not been good in finishing a roster. And we have had the means to do so.
I get it you have been in love with Brad since he’s been here and love your positiveness. But Brad is so over rated. And his not knowing the weaknesses or overvaluing his players cost use this season, what Goff is dealing with is 100% on Brad.
And as far Losing Coordinator most here thought that was fine and Ben would fail even you, but Ben is not failing , and look his Oline is playing well and his team is winning, Ben had a lot more to do with the success of this offense then most here thought or wanted to believe. Everyone here all off season were say were the greatest before we ever played a game now we’re losing it a bunch of more excuses, but the fact is we went into the season with a very questionable roster at obvious positions. And told “were good”. Them words will be on Brads tombstone. Because he missed so terribly.
But go ahead a act like you knew this was coming, because of all the changes, because not many other then me have been trying to say this since the off-season , and took a beating from people telling me how great Brad is how great Morton will be, everything is fine we’re on our way to the Superbowl BS . Now it’s but have injuries and lost our coordinators.
Before the season, ESPN had us rated as the third best roster in the league. If that’s overrated, I will take it every time. Every team has weaknesses. Every single team out there. So to say that our interior offensive line is a weak spot…yes…Nearly everyone agrees and always agreed. Perhaps Brad over rated those players and the coaching staff’s ability to get them up to speed. But you can’t fix everything. If you could, teams would be finishing the season 17 - 0. Look at the Ravens. Look at Buffalo. Look at the Chiefs. Look at the 49ers. All those teams had high aspirations and all of them have holes in their roster. As players get paid, the holes get bigger. It’s the nature of the NFL.
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Buddy that is the beauty of it , you can believe what ever you like. If you think Brad is great that’s up to you.
I think he dropped the ball and pretty much set us back a couple of years. Everytime so one points out a mistake you got 20 poster telling you yeah but all teams have weaknesses, but what you miss it’s the team that doesn’t have many weaknesses that wins the super bowl. And you were one that was telling everyone how great this team was going to be. Losing Ben Johnson wasn’t a problem because we have Dan, the Oline wasn’t gonna be Bad because Holmes is the villain. Lol
Not much of what you and others said before the season started didn’t age well.
So let me ask you one question, why did Brad say Were Good when we were obviously not at a couple different spots, he also stated we like who we have ?