Hey @DeadStroke good to see you man!!
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Iâm super happy to see you posting again DeadStoke. We have never chatted, but I have always enjoyed your knowledge of the cap.
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I hear you on that. They go hand and hand.
But you drop goff hit to $20m then you have to either move that money to another year either active or voided.
Thats more or less my point.
Looking at cap hit every year as a whole. not just a year by year basis.
See Lamars vs Hurts contract.
Similar cash paid. Similar Total guarantees.
But Lamar only has 2 void years and averaged almost $50m cap hit every year
Vs Hurts had 4 void years and averages only $29m cap hit per year.
Thats a MASSIVE difference.
I think thatâs nonsense. APY is never accurate because very few are paid in full without an extension & conversion to amortized bonus. Cash matters to owners & players egos/agents rep.
The ONLY thing is cap hit per year when you are a fan & want your team to have $$ to maintain/build the roster.
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If we have a legit championship window now an extension will drop his cap hit allowing us to put some money into Sewell and Amon and othersâŚ
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Exactly. Window is now. Extend him. And put a few void years at the end. Yes well be in cap hell in 2030. But who cares. That gives the lions a 4-5 year window.
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Iâm actually shocked they havenât in some way tried to circumvent the cap by way of the Ford Motor Company before. That said, I donât know the exact rules here because the Fordâs are certainly not the only owners with other enterprises and they donât seem to do it either.
Itâs not often that a player is paid less than the APY on their contracts. There isnât as much funny money in contracts as their used to be in the 1990âs and 2000âs. Look at Lamar Jacksonâs contract. Heâs getting paid $156M in the first three years ($52M per year) and then $52M in cash in each of the last two years. Same with Jalen Hurts, heâs getting $102M over the first two years of extension and $51M per year over the last three years.
APY is ALWAYS 100% better way of looking at QB cost over cap hits.
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Its very against the rules.
Teams have been penalized in the past.
Kinda like how NIL is now for colleges.
Colleges cant pay players directly. But a âmystery companyâ funded by the team owners can pay players. Thatâs illegal in the nfl. And teams would be penalized with loss of draft picks.
Yes and the way to understand the future cap hits is cash paid. If you pay a player cash it has to hit the cap at some point.
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Someone ask Kraft how he did it with Brady lol
Brady was dating a model, and took a deep pay cut so the team could keep building.
Do it Jared. Your model is even hotter
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I like the way you presented % of cap
To me, QB salaries should be capped at a certain % of cap
One guy getting > 20% of the cap is kind of absurd
It is a team game
And it just leaves less for everyone else
Mahomes is his own kind of league I suppose
Itâs kind of weird to have a fully âfree marketâ in the context of a salary cap ⌠
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Remember when Dak took the gurls to the NFC Championship game?
Me, either.
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The best current model for a QB salary is Hurts.
Low cap hit every year. But with 4 void years.
It gives you a 5-6 year window to do something. Then pay the piper after that.
Thats how the cap system is made to work.
Thatâs probably the extreme case of pushing money off.
The other extreme watson. All the money during the contract. Only 1 small void year. And massive cap hit every year.
Even iff goff gets $50m a year. I HIGHLY doubt his cap hit will be over 45m every year.
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I would not be surprised if he does a TB12 deal to keep the overall team together
In my opinion it is on the team to get this done and do it right by all involved.
I would be very careful blaming Goff no matter how this goes. The market dictates in this case.
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@DeadStroke knows more about the cap than pretty much all of us⌠COMBINED.
I wouldnât disagree with him on these mattersâŚ.
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Iâm genuinely curious.
In 2017 Stafford signed a five-year extension w/the Lions worth $135 million. It made him the highest-paid player in the NFL. He certainly wasnât the best player (QB) in the league.
Did as many fans clamor for him to âpull a Bradyâ and take less than he could have as are calling now for Jared to do the same? Was there any expectation that he actually might? Lions were 9-7 in 2016-17 and 9-7 in the following year. Iâd think the âwe really need the money to build a better team around youâ argument would have made even more sense then given the Lionsâ record of futility w/which weâre all familiar.
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Not even comparing apples to apples here.
That team sucked and half the fan base thought Stafford should be paid a premium for playing for such a crap org while the other half wanted him gone because he could not win.
This is way more like NE that had a very good squad and needed to pay multiple studs.
I bet Mahomes would like to discuss his cap number and his WRs right now
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