KC is gonna have a hard time bringing in any good WRs with mahomes making over 23% of the cap the next 3 seasons.
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So heres what the table looks like for 2024+ going forward. Goff would be the 14 biggest cap hit AAV. And thats BEFORE.
Dak, Rogers, Geno, Tua, Fields, Love, Lawrence, Purdy get extensions.
Iām just glad that the conversation has switched from āGoff is a bridge QB throw in that Rams paid us to take and we have to draft a QB witn a top ten pickā to āDamn Goff is playing bananas leading a second top five offense and weāre one game away from the Super bowl. Letās pay the manā
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The team was coming off a 9-7 record when Stafford signed a contract that made him the NFLās highest-paid player. 9-7 is not a āthat team suckedā record. In fact, they were on the upswing in terms of record.
Letās be clear: I donāt begrudge Stafford signing that huge contract. Not at all. I just think itās weird that some people who had no problem w/the Lions making Stafford the NFLās highest-paid QB donāt - or didnāt as of a week ago - think Goff deserves a contract that would place him outside the top-5.
Virtually no player in his prime gives the home team a meaningful discount. Goff might. But he sure as hell doesnāt āoweā them one.
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Itās not a Goff issue per se but I do wonder if the days of the ever escalating QB payday is going to level out
Either more QBs are going to recognize that taking less will make the team and their brand better, which should have the effect of leveling off the paydays. or teams are just going to not do it and trust that their system can maintain wins over QBs
Thereās already some rumbling that SF isnāt going to pay Purdy and just nab a discount tosser to fit in the system
This is where we align.
But I guess I always felt ever Lions team before the MCDC version relied on great players to make it happen. That there was no system or great team execution. So we all thought the only path was to have a few āsuper starsā that somehow created a winner.
But it is clear that having a team that plays for the team, executes, and has a goal of out working the other team creates way more great players. And I 100% believe that the players know the difference. Now how that plays out in the salary game one can only guess. But I do think that a smart QB gets a deal done that keeps him much closer to the 15% range of the cap than 20-25%. You want Sewell on your line. Not just for himself but I believe that playing next to great players raises the level of the other players if they are leading for team and set that culture.
That 5% is over 10M and is a big difference for having extra dough for the rest of the team.
Listen, I have developed a man crush on Goff. Not really about his play but more about what kind of person he is clearly trying to be behind the scenes. He is not the only great guy on this team but I do think he is smart enough to know that how he handles this contract will go along way to how this team looks the next 5 years. And Goff is clearly hitting his prime. So he wants players surrounding him. And his already has a nice pile of cash.
The player that scares me is St. Brown. He has been playing for peanuts. His comment about his fines and what percentage of his salary clearly shows he is looking to get paid. And he is an ALL Pro so he has earned that payday. I am just hoping it can be something that is workable in the grand scheme of things.
Goff has gotten 160M so farā¦St. Brown 3Mā¦yeah he should be sitting out next season if he does not get a new dealā¦Sewell 20M underpaid for sure but not like ARSB and Hutch is at 35M
I mean you have to pay these guys. If anything the Lions are in a pickle because they have drafted and developed so well.
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Extensions due this off season.
Goff, mcniel, iffy, st brown, barns
Extensions due 2025
Sewell, anzalone, rayemond, paschael, kerby, rodrego
Extension due 2026
Hutch, jamo, fox, laporta, branch,
Everyone else needs to earn it
- blue is estimated 5th year option
Great points, but I donāt see the OL thing the way most doā¦.
Hypotheticallyā¦. Jackson Powers-Johnson #30 and then Javon Foster in late #90āsā¦
Thatās about 4.5M per yearā¦.
Sign Bunting, Fuller, and Epenesa for about 29M per year.
Thatās a much better way to spend 33.5M apy
Romeo
C Harris
Big V
Moseley
Teddy
- that was about 31M in costs for a 1 year deal this year.
The dilemma all good teams face.
Itās always a mix of talent and hard work. Teams may lean more on one than the other, but thereās some threshold amount of both required for great success. And now that they have a bunch of really good young players the Lions are going to have to choose very carefully which to retain w/pricey 2nd contracts and which to let walk, counting on great drafting and player development and shrewd FA acquisitions to fill in the gaps.
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I presume we arenāt extending all these guys.
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No weāre definitely going to lose some guys.
But priorities for this off season
Goff, St Brown, Mcniel. Those are the only 3 in my mind need one 100%
Penei?
First off good to see you buddy- missed your posts!
Iām not sure this one is fair though. I will admit you know the cap better than most, including myself, but I do manage the accounting principals of a 500M financial organization. Tax loopholes, carry over and passive losses donāt function all that differently than ācap hits.ā
Letās say we offer Goff a 4 year 204M extension. That is new money of 51M APY (current fair market value for a top QB contract) but we keep 2024 in placeā¦ 31M. So itās 5 years and 235 with 140M total guaranteed. Or 47M true AAV over 5 years- abs really locked in for 3ā¦.
31M
38M
45M
- we either take 26M dead cap or pay 46M in 2027ā¦ by 2028 no dead cap
52M
69M
Iām not remotely close to extending Barnes or McNeill right now, and Iād do Iffy as long as he takes 2 years and 10M with 5M guaranteed on top of next year. We have had 5 great games from him and he makes 1M next year. Iām not tearing that up and guaranteeing money.
I am paying Goff and Amon Raā¦
Draft me C/Gā¦ and WR2/3ā¦ and a T/G along with a RB3ā¦ā¦ Iām not paying Reynolds more than Raymond- if he wants same deal, great we donāt need a 2-3rd WRā¦.
That leaves tons of money for CJ, Fuller, Bunting and a cheaper Edge like Epenesa.
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Iām not paying McNeill of Iffy period.
Penei has 2 more years. (5th year option)
Hell get extension next year
McNeil is one of the highest rated 3techs in the NFL.
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Gotcha. I thought you meant in general. I would play out the string with Alim.
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I hate this kind of approach
Always kicking the can down the road
Gotta pay the piper at some point.
Unless you have a Brady or Mahomes. Your going to have the up down cycle the nfl wants.
3 years of building. 3-4 years of success. 3 years of down turn. Repeat.
So maximize that peak area.
Iāve always felt that the salary cap for NFL teams are similar to timing differences in Tax to book depreciation (and other differences) and as such would be included in the notes to the financials as differences in reporting. Where the period costs of the players would be included and matched to the specific period that they are being paid for.
Hereās Jalen Hurts contract and I use his because the Eagles along with the Saints use the cap hits to the greatest advantage. In 2023, he had one year remaining on his rookie contract and with his PPE, he was owed $4.3M. In 2023, he signed an extension for 2024-2028 and received cash on that extension and will have cap hits as follows:
| Cash Paid | Cap Hit | APY | |
|---|---|---|---|
| 2023 | 20,000,000 | 1,364,800 | |
| 2024 | 40,000,000 | 13,558,800 | 51,000,000 |
| 2025 | 42,000,000 | 21,769,800 | 51,000,000 |
| 2026 | 51,000,000 | 31,771,800 | 51,000,000 |
| 2027 | 51,000,000 | 41,832,800 | 51,000,000 |
| 2028 | 51,000,000 | 47,149,000 | 51,000,000 |
| 2029 | 97,553,000 | ||
| 255,000,000 | 255,000,000 | 255,000,000 |
For cap purposes, the Eagles have almost 40% of his contract allocated to 2029, a year that he wonāt even play under his current contract. There is no accounting principle that says that you should allocate expenses to a year in which they do not occur.
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