Lions fans be like “Pfffft…Spinal Fusion Surgery??? He needs to suck it up and stop insulting God…er…Dan Campbell
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You know from that quote, reading between the lines a little bit about “the door is always open and I’ve said that from day 1” maybe is implying that Crosby didn’t talk to them or communicate very well. I could be wrong but just how im interpreting it. POD did an article on it too
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If he felt he was a starting right tackle he should have shown up in tremendous shape and proven it. If he did that he likely starts over Matt Nelson. This is assuming of course that he could have played with his back condition.
The question I’m asking in this instance is was the surgery necessary? Or was it for quality of life? The disc replacement surgery I got earlier this year was necessary. The fusion or disc replacement surgery I’m looking at for my lower back doesn’t need to be done now. It’s more for quality of life later.
If the surgery was necessary then that’s on the lions for not handling it properly. If it was a surgery Crosby chose for a better quality of life now or later then that’s his decision and not on the team. It says he has a degenerative spinal condition. That’s genetic.
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I had the Full Disc Replacement with Fusion via the titanium screws and rods 11 years ago. Replaced the disc between L4/L5
For me it was life saving as the herniated disc was pushing on the sciatic nerve. Walking across the room felt like 4 guys were stabbing me in the back and back of the legs with daggers.
Walking 10 feet reduced me to tears for 10-15 minutes
I was in so much pain I did not want to live if they couldn’t do something
But I have no idea if Cosby was anywhere near that bad 
I just know the surgery was the difference of wanting to and be able live a mostly normal life and wanting to die
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Mine was almost polar opposite. I had a ruptured disc pressing on my spinal cord. I lost all the feeling in both arms and legs. It wasn’t all that painful but life would have been a struggle without feeling in my extremities.
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LoJack 2.0
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Here is an interesting point that counters crosby’s depiction of how the lions treated him: Penisini. I know some of an issue w Jeff but give the mailbag a listen to and what he says about Crosby, the Lions and Penisini is at least food for thought.
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On evaluating Goff…“You’re gonna have to cut us some slack on evaluating Goff, because we are used to Stafford.”
I’ve been guilty of this too.
I probably value Stafford more than most of you guys. I think he’s borderline elite, and most likely HOF.
Truthfully, I think I like Goff more than most of the Goff lovers too, which is hilarious. I like 'em both. I just like Matt WAY better.
I loved what this dude said on breaking down Goff’s progress. Goff is gonna do great. He will surprise a lot of ppl with his numbers, as we will get a ton of YACs, and our OL is gonna be dope.
13:53 mark, if you guys want to see it.
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Reynolds
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J-Will
Cephus - this dude is saying Cephus is on the bubble, even if he didn’t get hurt.
I’m rooting for Cephus to make it…IF he can stay healthy.
This was a really good listen. I like this guy. Thanks for posting @QBHATER90
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The guy the trainers let play with one arm who needed to retire a season later is the one who is the example of being treated right ?
If he had to sit out while he had the calcium deposits…
he might as well have retired when they first developed.
Playing football… and lifting the weights a NT needs to lift to stay strong enough… both cause the wear and tear that trigger the calcium deposits.
There was really no additional risk of playing with calcium deposits in his shoulder. He would have needed surgery to remove them either way.
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So Jeff gave the cliff note version of what the lions did for him. But they really supported him and explored a lot of different options and allowed him to come to this decision and didn’t just cut him. They could have just cut him last year and he wouldn’t have gotten the same benefits bc of lack of time that he got bc he waited a year.
Also this is a regime that is doing stuff like allowing families of the players to stay in the hotel during camp. Does that sound like a regime that doesn’t give a damn and is forcing a player to play against his will. Birkett’s piece pissed a lot of people off bc it wasn’t necessarily factual. Crosby wasn’t open w the team and didn’t communicate and was Pouting….Penisini was open and direct from the jump w the team and they worked w him. And there was issues w the trainers and after the Crosby thing they were fired.
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I noticed that Birkett didn’t have a line at the bottom reading something like… “The Lions were contacted for a response, but declined to comment”… which made me think it was a one-sided “hit piece” from the start.
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It’s not a question of risk versus effectiveness plus adding can he protect himself while being allowed to play ? Was he on closely monitored pain killers ?
The business of football is brutal so if and when a player feels wronged , I can see how they might see it that way.
@QBHATER90 I’m not saying team did him right or wrong. If it’s going to arbitration , it’ll be decided. I’m sure there’s examples and reasoning for every move.
You are questioning the example of a player who the lions did right by.
He didn’t seem to have any concerns….
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and… his surgery was done after 2020 season, so any concerns about the trainers letting him play would be on Patricia’s staff.
MCDC and AG reduced his role in 2022… cutting his snap count by over 50%… so I don’t see that they took risks with him.
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Agreed … I’m not paying for the Freep. I just don’t think there content is unique enough or well reported.
On the Lions side …. back and neck issues are very commonly misdiagnosed. The only way to really know is with an MRI.
The patient has to take some responsibility to seek medical help and get an MRI when pain persists. Clearly at some point he got an MRI.
I honestly do not see how this is a staff or doctor problem. Sometimes you have to go through the motions and rule out other things first.
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Let me add: I have degenerative spine disease. I’ve had two emergency neck surgeries and have 4 bulging disc’s in my back.
It doesn’t sound like he had herniated disc’s- just bulging ones. I’ve seen 5 separate surgeons about my back. The 1st one I saw wanted to operate. That’s how they get paid so I went out and got a second opinion and the second guy told me there’s a 50/50 chances surgery makes it better or worse and recommend not to do surgery unless I had a herniated disc. I saw a 3rd, who said the same thing as the second. A year later I see a 4th who wants to operate again and I get another second opinion and that doctor tells me the same thing as the original second doctor.
So 3 recommended not to do surgery unless I have a herniated disc. 2 wanted to do the surgery. My discs aren’t herniated they are bulging. So I chose not to do surgery.
I’ve managed back pain for 20 years now.
My neck was a different story. Severe herniation on multiples disc’s and broken vertebrae forced surgeries.
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If I’m a player and I consistently have back pain despite what the team doctor says I’m going to see a specialist and get a second opinion. Even if you wait till the off-season it’s still something that should be done. It’s my body and career in the balance.
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