Well, I'll be

[LionFrog]

@Minotaur92

It’s when you don’t have those things you’ll see the bad Goff we’ve seen before

That’s every QB in the league, including Rogers, Stafford, Allen, Mahomes, Burrows, Herbert…all of them.

[farmerted]

I think it had less to do with McVay and more to do with our coaches putting Goff in position that maximizes his talent. I would also credit Goff for stepping up and maturing.

[QBHATER90]

I didn’t even catch the MRS…my adhd maaaan…

[JD9]

@Air2theThrown

That entire video is full of points most of us here have been preaching for a long time.

But one point I’d like to talk more about is Goff and his confidence. Coming out of LAR it was obvious McVay had beat the kid down and his confidence was wavering. Especially on his deep ball. He wasn’t attacking down field like he should.

I think the Lions have done an amazing job of restoring his confidence. You can see it in everything Goff does and I honestly think he’s growing as a player.

Maybe confidence isn’t the right word. Goff is clearly confident…. Maybe comfort is the right word. When he got here he didn’t look comfortable. He now looks both confident and comfortable managing the Lions offense.

I think the best is yet to come with Goff.

Could agree more with all of this!

[JD9]

McVay is highly overrated no doubt about it. I think he calls a terrible game and is overly conservative.

[CuriousHusker]

@AlexSmithsVallet

Is the thing about goff and Mrs mcvay real?

It’s think it’s real, but if so it’s silly. Supposedly a bunch of players were on a zoom call. Bonding and such (remember this is during a zombie apocalypse). Some other player made mention of how pretty Veronika was and Jared said, “I’d pipe her.”

Sean wishes he was a taller man (see the application of copious amounts of hair gel to steal another two inches), so he reacted in Napoleonic fashion.

That’s the scenario that I read on Rams boards several years ago at least.

Everybody swears by Jared as a human being. It was just a harmless joke but it turned into something more than it should have. There were some performance issues as well of course.

[CuriousHusker]

@JD9

McVay is highly overrated no doubt about it.

I’m not sure I agree. Damn good ball coach.

He does need to revolve a bit but if he sticks it out I’m sure he will.

[JD9]

He’s just too conservative for me

I shouldn’t of said no doubt about it and instead said IMO…lol

Side note
Being adaptable might be the most important trait for a coach. He seems to really lack this

[CuriousHusker]

I mostly agree. I just don’t think he’s been given enough time to judge his adaptiveness. I do expect a Dick Vermeil career. He’s likely out to join the broadcast media soon but will boomerang back into coaching down the road.

[TCLion]

@KingSlappy

always thought what McVay did in LA was amazing. Took a 4-12 team to 11-5, 254 more points and the playoffs. Then to the SB the next year.

If that would have happened in Detroit, it would have been incredible.

Ever since the trade, many Lions fans have been bagging on McVay, who was 43-21 at the time and is currently 60-38 with two trips to the SB and one title.

People are saying he mishandled Goff to help believe Goff can get you past the Divisional Round, not because he should have brought him along slowly/differently to develop him better instead of wanting to win right off the bat, correct?

The two concepts you’re linking are not necessarily mutually exclusive. It’s quite possible for you’re point regarding McVay’s overall acumen as a coach to be correct and his handling of Goff to be incorrect.

For instance, I had a position as a supervisor and prided myself on getting new hires positively contributing within DAYS. They were completely clueless and had to be spoon fed, but they were functional, and from that point I grew them into more. I simply believe McVay skipped the latter half of that progression.

[TNutZz]

Let’s also see how McVay does when the talent that Holmes helped bring in is gone. Last year we all watched the Rams lose to Seattle which kept us out of the playoffs. He made some awful game management decisions there

[CuriousHusker]

And yet if the game is officiated fairly or Carnell Lake’s kid holds onto the ball they win despite bringing a knife to a gun fight.

[KingSlappy]

@TNutZz

Let’s also see how McVay does when the talent that Holmes helped bring in is gone. Last year we all watched the Rams lose to Seattle which kept us out of the playoffs. He made some awful game management decisions there

The Rams lost, you got what you wanted, a better draft pick.

Congratulations.

[TNutZz]

@KingSlappy

@TNutZz

Let’s also see how McVay does when the talent that Holmes helped bring in is gone. Last year we all watched the Rams lose to Seattle which kept us out of the playoffs. He made some awful game management decisions there

The Rams lost, you got what you wanted, a better draft pick.

Congratulations

That was a consolation. But if you recall I said multiple times ‘unless it affects our playoff situation’. That affected our playoff situation

[KingSlappy]

@TNutZz

That was a consolation. But if you recall I said multiple times ‘unless it affects our playoff situation’. That affected our playoff situation

I don’t recall. I do recall a lot of losing every game posts.

I suppose you were wanting the Rams to lose in Week 13 as well.

[TNutZz]

@KingSlappy

@TNutZz

That was a consolation. But if you recall I said multiple times ‘unless it affects our playoff situation’. That affected our playoff situation

I don’t recall. I do recall a lot of losing every game posts.

I suppose you were wanting the Rams to win in Week 13 as well.

You can go back and scan if you want. Here’s the easy qualifier. If it helps the Lions playoff chances. That’s the exception

Jameson Williams will never have good hands

Hmmmm. maybe. I can see your point but that’s not the way I’m wired. There’s a reason I cheered for the Rams to lose every game the last two years. And it’s not because I ‘hate’ Stafford It’s because it advantages this team via an inverse relationship to a first round draft pick we own I refuse to play fantasy football because I don’t ever want to be put in a position to cheer against the Lions. If Goff, Barry Sanders or Jesus Effin Christ were traded to another team for their first round pic…

[KingSlappy]

Gotcha, I wasn’t aware of the other thread, just the exchanges from the one we were involved in a few days ago.

[TNutZz]

@KingSlappy

Gotcha, I wasn’t aware of the other thread, just the exchanges from the one we were involved in a few days ago.

I said it a bunch in our thread too. But this one was easier to look up so I linked this one. You can find that qualifier in our discussion too if you were inclined to dig through it. Which I’m not at the moment

[AlexSmithsVallet]

Lol. I figured it was baloney, but with pro athletes you never know.

I say we call Sean by the name Mrs. McVay from here on out

[Minotaur92]

That’s not even remotely true.

Patrick Mahomes had Travis Kelce and a lot of random dudes and not an elite OL. Rodgers had Davante Adams and a bunch of “meh”. Josh Allen has Diggs and a bunch of “meh”. There are certain QB that can be elite without having everything perfect around them, IMO, Goff isn’t one of them. Herbert has elite weapons, but a crap OL and the weapons can’t stay healthy. Burrow had elite weapons, but a meh running game and a crap OL.

Why are we not acting like in year one with Goff a lot of Lions fans were complaining and trashing Goff? Granted, I get it our fan base can be really bad at times(see: Stafford, Matthew), but that is because he was underachieving because he didn’t have the things he NEEDED.

There’s just a difference between those guys and Goff. Which isn’t controversial. He NEEDS certain things to be really, really good(said the same about Matt Ryan) - and lucky for us, he has them. Nothing I’ve said is really controversial, lol.