Its funny, you are basically arguing for a DE that isn’t great at rushing the passer (he’s okay) and against a NT who is great vs the run but can’t rush the passer!!! And yet, I totally get where you are coming from.
I picked two guys with risks, but also with a decent floor and lots of upside. I think JTT has some upside but a very high floor. Where do you think he is going in this draft? What range? I wonder if the NFL thinks more highly of him than some of these draft sites. Where I see him most often is early to mid second. Which is more proof that all of the guys that would help us at problem spots seem consistenly in that 35-50 range.
I think if JTT was the guy the Lions wanted they would just take him at 28. Then you would hear Mel Kiper saying what a bad pick it was because he was #33 on his board so the Lions should have traded down 5 spots and still got their player. I have no idea who we will pick but they will take their guy even if it looks a round too early in the media.
I think he goes somewhere between 22 and 60. When you’re talking about a guy an FO could easily fall in love with, his range is gonna be a little wider. Like maybe Harbaugh still loves him from his days as a really high recruit? I know Michigan was in for him pretty aggressively, and coaches who come from college often lean on the guys they recruited (like Carroll did when he first took over in Seattle). Maybe us or Washington loves his mentality and short yardage defense. That sort of thing.
If I had to put money on it I’d probably say early to mid 2nd, but the draft has a way of making bets look foolish.
On JTT, I think he’ll go in the 2nd. I think a team would have to see untapped pass rush potential in him to go higher. He never really broke out in that dept, but a team could like what he did after Knowles let the dogs out after the Oregon loss.
Kacy Rodgers worked with Vita, maybe he can help Collins. He’s a pretty good line coach.
I don’t disagree. I think the counter argument would be that if he is a dominant NT, that is worth something in this defense that prioritizes run defense.
I actually think there isn’t like one guy that doesn’t have some issues at this spot in this scenario. Maybe the cleanest prospect is probably JTT… I don’t thinkhe has tons of upside though. Could be wrong. It bugs me that these guys aren’t doing 40s anymore to get the split.
What, dude was breaking out, 6.5 sacks in the playoffs. Not sure what anyone is watch when they compare Pascal to him. There missing something or just are not really watching
That is a pretty small sample size. Certainly encouraging. As an OSU fan, I’ve been waiting for years for him to breakout. A lot was expected of him as a five star recruit. He showed flashes at times. Like the Penn State game vs Fashanu. But he hasn’t really put it all together, sack wise, until the playoffs. He’s been okay. I do like him a lot, don’t get me wrong. I would be okay drafting him. Just not sure if he is a first rounder.
Not smaller then the guy you compare him to, that’s my problem. Pascal best year is 5 sack, JTT 6.5 in just in the play offs, the only thing they have in common is they both can set the edge well. Comparing these to is like a blind man comparing a red car to a blue car not close.
And what a time to breakout when your team is in the playoffs and he did big time, on top of that, our coaching staff and playing beside Hutch and learning from him. He was alittle slow coming into his own witch I talked about back in October . This is a great place for him to reach his full potential.
The same can be said of Sawyer. If Knowles really did decide to say F it, and tone down the read and react stuff and let them pin their ears back then he probably should do more or that in Happy Valley. The flip side is with the proportion of some of these college offenses that is Zone. Read and RPO based you can understand to give your smart, veteran star edges a challenging run game assignment on the way to the QB.
I don’t anticipate JTT to ever be a sack leader but if he becomes a reliable 7-9 sack guy then he’s a silent star type. He’s that good at some of the other stuff IMO. I don’t know if Shep will do more sim pressures and drops but so think JTT would be terrific in those surprise drops with his reflexes, hands, immense wingspan and lateral quickenss. He of course is famously good in short yardage/high leverage situations.
It’s a SAFE pick but it’s not devoid of any paths to overperforming pick 28.
I compared him once to Sam Hubbard as far as projecting his career. Like a solid guy across from a star who will get you maybe 8 sacks and he can play excellent run D which is great.
Not sure anybody is really doing that beyond saying they are both good at run defense and mediocre at pass rushing…they have different styles for sure. Paschal has a stocky lower body with a lot of explosiveness. JTT is more graceful with his footwork, taller, more agile, and closer to prototypical arm length. The question really is: is JTT’s run defense that much better than Paschal’s? Is his pass rushing that much better?
Kinda odd you compared him to Hubbard before , then he breaks out you call it small sample size then compare him to Josh Pascal. Witch is it, I think Hubbard is his floor. Pascal not in the same confo.
Lol you still trying to compare the 2, I think he is a younger faster Z Smith type, he would be a better comparison. Josh and him have little in common
The point is not the straight up player comp it’s that they fill that fill the same role.
Both are dirty work base end type of guys that you might need to move inside on third down to get a twitchier athlete out on the edge.
I think it’s totally fair to say, “JTT is a more talented Pashal.” and if people are ripping off those sorts of draft takes I see it as a way of conveying a message rather than comping the player.
Lastly people tend to comp players to Lions players. Paschal is IMO the most JTT like of that room.
