I still like Mike McCoy myself and he does have a connection on the coaching staff(John Fox)
He went from Orton to Tebow and re-did his offense to fit Tebow’s style of play so he would adjust his offense to fit the personnel.
Orton in 2009 had a career year and the following year in 2010 the Broncos passing attack ranked 7th. Thats with Kyle Orton at QB
Jay Gruden
I wouldn’t hate that
Here’s my main thing. If we lose both DCs can we really elevate both Tanner and Shep. Sounds risky.
I think we go outside for one coordinator.
What about Staley for DC? He’s got a connection to Holmes.
I’d go with John Fox… Shep has very little experience.
My hope is Ben has rubbed off on Tanner Engstrand enough that he doesn’t miss a beat.
But we saw the Eagles try and make that sort of in-house transition this year and it couldn’t have gone worse.
On the plus side I think Dan is more equipped to take over play-calling if Engstrand bombs than Sirianni was, and he knows what he wants his offense to be.
Externally, I wish this was last offseason because I would have pushed strongly for Todd Monken, but obviously now that won’t work. I also pushed for Dave Canales a couple of years ago when we were bringing in a new staff, but clearly that won’t work now either.
So I guess Arthur Smith? Not a thrilling choice, I think there are much better external options on the defensive side of the ball.
What is tom moore doing nowadays? we can even give him a little detroit lions rascal scooter.
The other thing that stinks about coordinators getting hired is that often it seems like they take their guys with them. I’m not sure who that is on our staff, but you know we’ll lose somebody.
If Goff is the long term answer we’re better off going internal for OC and external for DC. Veteran QBs tend to be their own OC to a certain extent and can fill in for some deficiencies in coordinator experience on that side of the ball. The general offensive philosophy could stay in place versus a 6 - 10 game period of trying to meld the new system to Goff.
I get that Chryst doesn’t have the NFL experience that Monken did but it’s otherwise a similar type of deal.
Well it’s different bc Chryst system is pretty damn similar to what we do.
Does Fox want that?
No idea… he is getting old. But when it comes to qualifications for the job. He’s got them all.
And still 5 years younger than the Hoody
My concern is not with the pass game and Goff.
Ben Johnson has implemented an extremely diverse and complicated run game. So much so that last year a lot of analysts said we’d have more success with less variety.
That kind of run game is tough to manage.
Chryst and Arthur Smith are two guys I think can do it. Arthur Smith’s personnel deployment choices recently give me some pause but I think with a overseeing hand he could be reunited with his former ways.
This is true to an extent but also can be a dangerous route forward. It’s like the coaches who want to be GMs too, a lot of offenses have fallen apart because the QB thought he knew better (late era Russ-Seattle comes to mind, and late-era AR-Green Bay, until they drafted Love and Rodgers got with the program).
I don’t think Goff has that kind of personality, but personally I want a clear hierarchy from OC to QB. They need to collaborate like Ben and Goff do, but the OC needs to be in charge.
I don’t know a lot about Chryst’s philosophy or schemes other than run the ball a lot. Don’t watch nearly as much Big 10 as you
I get that. It’s just in recent years it became clear that Aaron Rodgers has been his de facto OC and I think Brady was for a time in his last few years in New England as well. When you have a QB and an OC not in sync the offense tends to struggle so we’d need someone who is a stylistic fit for Goff’s game.
And I would say in both cases the offenses began to struggle as their careers grew longer (that is until the Packers FO drafted Love and lit a fire under Rodgers’s ass).
I would also say that the McDaniels-Brady relationship was a good one for a long time. And that Brady was good at taking orders. He understood the need for the hierarchy. Or at the very least the appearance of one.
That said I don’t think we’d bring in an OC without consulting Goff. In fact he may be part of the process.
The story of Ben Johnson is an interesting one. And to me there are alot of cool lessons to be learned from it. Dan and Brad didn’t hire Ben Johnson. Ben was let go by the Dolphins when Brian Flores was hired. With little to no interest from NFL teams, he took a low level “quality control” job with the Lions under Matt Patricia. Using hindsight it was clear that coaches with real opportunities were not taking jobs under Patricia. That forced Patricia to have to reach into the college ranks alot. That speaks to how down things were for Ben and how his career might have been on the verge of being over in the NFL.
Ben was quickly promoted from quality control coach to tight ends coach the following season under Patricia. When Dan and Brad came to town, they kept Ben as a tight ends coach. When Lynn was fired/demoted, it allowed Ben to get promoted again. This time to passing game coordinator working closely with Dan as the OC and Hank Fraley as the OL coach (OL coaches are by default the run game coordinators). That gave him time to show his worth internally but not have the stresses of live playcalling on gameday. And with Dan being the playcaller, he was able to see what Dan was thinking in real time. This included the types of risks Dan was willing to take, and why he did it.
Long story short…Ben went from nearly out of the NFL to offensive coordinator and hot head coaching candidate within the span of only a few years. Its been a heck of a ride for him!!!