Your a treasure, always good for a grin, lol
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I wonder what it is like to sign guys to a big contract and not have them immediately take a dive so they can collect a check in street cloths
Looking at you Levi, Snacks, TJ Lang and Rick Wagner
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Hey Dan, you need to rush more than three when you’ve got the lead with under forty seconds left. Just letting you know what would give you two more wins than you have right now.
But we def “dONt drAfT a QbeEeE!! iN 2o22!!!”…fucking draft a QB, one of these guys coming out may not “thee” typical guy, but I guarantee one of them will at least be better than Goff if/when he’s finally dumped from this team…and yes, I’m 110% a Corral guy, I guarantee he’ll be a better NFL QB than Goff…maybe not with the 1OA pick, but snag him with the 2nd 1st rd pick if able.
Oh, how I wish Bryce Young was draft-eligible.
He looks like a better Jalen Hurts.
If we go anything other than DE, LB or S for the first three picks, I’m going to be very disappointed. The exception is if a true number one receiver is there at the top of the second
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Except one did. Unless you believe Goff, his wins and pro bowls were simply an illusion. He was a very good quarterback before his Oline regressed in 2019. That’s factual. The wins and stats are public data.
And what Goff is dealing with now has to be the biggest shit show in the league. Starting LT out, Starting rookie RT playing LT, badly. Starting C out. WRs 1-3 out, new system….
Did Stafford, or really any QB ever have to deal with that much that you can remember? And he’s handling it all with aplomb. How many QBs would complain, bitch to the media or have sideline tantrums?
To me it almost seems a little shameless how some people used every possible excuse to exonerate Stafford, and won’t give an iota of understanding to Goff
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Yes - Stafford has known this pain, for sure. I don’t have the energy to explain. I’ve seen every snap of his career, up to this year. it’s been tough sledding for him.
I’m not writing Goff off, and the part of me that does want to is BECAUSE I saw Stafford in the same/similar situations and I know what the difference looks like.
I’m still getting used to not seeing Matt out there. I hope the F Goff can turn it around, when we get him some WR help, but there are a lot of signs that don’t look good for Jared.
My biggest concern is watching his energy deflate. It feels like he carries the failure of the last play with him, and from the last game into the next one. He probably rides positive momentum the same way. I dunno.
Not enough of a body of evidence to have absolute proof yet. to be determined.
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It shouldn’t require ‘explanation’ just point me to when Stafford had a new system, on a new team with starting LT, C and WRs 1-3 all injured
It’s not a philosophical exercise
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I’m not saying it never or always happens one way the another, but finding a top-end QB does not have to be with a top 10 pick. Hell, it doesn’t even have to be in the first round. In your scenario, we just have to hope Brad is who most of us think he is, and finds us that talent in the mid-first round or later. On a personal note, I think the Lion’s really need to look for a dual threat QB wheneverthey pull the trigger on one.
Every 3-4 years, for his entire career
Technically, he wore the same jersey in the same building…
Not at all philosophical - he’s had this a ton. Backups to backups everywhere, especially at WR
And he’s also played behind OLs MUCH worse than this one (yes, even banged up) a lot as well. This OL is better than anything Matt ever played behind. Depth and talent is better here now.
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that’s not very specific. And sure, over the course of 12 years. But all at once? come on…
This Oline today and the last couple weeks was not more talented than any Stafford has had. I think it’s possible you will be right when they are all healthy and Sewell has improved. Until then….no
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It’s been fantastically brutal, and yes - new system every single coach gets fired, often times the OC doesn’t make it through the first 2 years. it’s been hot garbage. I’m not digging. Hope someone else will.
I dont have the memory that some of you do.
We have had backups to backups to backups at wR, in conjunction with fantastically pathetic OLs - absolutely yes, to that.
And as I have said - worse OLs than what we have fielded this year. This OL, even with backups, has serviceable/reasonable blocking.
I watched Matt absolutely run for his life his entire career.
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The Goff/Staff comparisons would be more productive if we could give Goff the option to heave the ball in the general direction of a 6’5" football-catching robot. Instead he’s throwing the ball to WRs whom I can’t even name, except for Amon-Ra St. Brown, and I only know his name because it’s up there with Hingle McCringleberry and Bizmo Funyuns.
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I also watched nearly every snap of Staffords career and I seem to remember a coaching staff brought into ‘fix his mechanics’ after year five. We drafted the greatest WR in history that he had for nearly his entire career here. Signed Tate, Marvin Jones, drafted three first round TEs. brought in Reggie Bush, J Bell, Burleson…
Those were all quality players. Plus, except for 2014, we had him running the system he wanted to run. The Linehan, shotgun heavy, pass heavy scheme. Much of which he brought to the Rams
I get what you’re saying, he had his fair share of adversity, but nothing like what Goff is dealing with right now
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Goffs wins were due to a great OC/HC and a good team around him. When Gurley went down and the Oline wasn’t as good, and teams realized how to defend him he wasn’t as good. The rams fans poo Ted out the horizontal offense, locking on to his first read, not going through progressions, inability to read a D, poor pocket presence, even a deer in the head lights look under pressure. One Goff supporter has done a 180 saying going from G off to Stafford is like going from a pinto to a caddy.
They now talk about how much more they attack downfield, that in yrs past 3rd and 8 meant a punt after a 3 yd pass, how they expect a 1st down on a throw beyond the marker. You can read the rams boards and the comparisons. It’s obvious to them the massive difference, as it was to many of us when the trade was made. The overwhelming majority love the trade and would do it again.
Stafford in 6 games 16 TDs, Goff in 16 games 20 TDs, Goff leading the league in turnovers since 19. Goff had a better D and a healthy Akers and these wrs last yr in LA…with the same HC and I believe better staff than Stafford this yr…and it’s not close. McVey knew the problem, and got rid of it. He brought Stafford in to fix it, and Stafford is clearly putting putting up FAR better numbers in LA than Goff did.
Those of us that defended Stafford pointed out it was a team game, and somehow Stafford was not only supposed to beat a good QB, Wilson, Roger’s. Brees etc, but also do it with an inferior supporting cast and inferior coaching. Stafford is proving that to be true, over 1800 yds, 16 TDs to 4 into, a 116 qb rating in only 6 games.
That said, I think we all hope Goff turns it around, would rather build the team then search for another QB. That is the absolute best scenario
we can hope for… Unfortunately Goff is regressing further, to the point the HC has called him out publicly, and others questioning if he should be benched.
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This made me laugh pretty hard. 
We had sporadic talent on O, sprinkled throughout. Matt has NEVER had the run game that Goff has experienced this year.
I feel like we’re getting off point. What is the point we are trying to get to here? is this a stafford/Goff comparison exercise? Are we predicting if we think Goff will work out? What are you wanting from me here?
We have brought in ultra-shit OL (that usually got injured), and while we have had a few good ones (very few) many have been hurt, and aside from that, the rest of the OL was literal holes. Bringing in TJ lang didn’t help much. Vatai was awful at RT. I’ve seen consistent bottom of the bottom of the league OL “talent”
Your WR argument holds up some years…some.
The TE comment literally made me chuckle. I thought Hochenson played today, last time I checked anyway.
Our O has been unreasonably one-dimensional. Yes, some scattered talent. If Titus Young hadn’t flaked, and Best had stayed healthy, we may have had a great offense for a bit (also notice Stafford and the O were not-so-coincidentally among league leaders, when all of that was happening).
Tate was huge, because he was such a versatile weapon. He could sneak around underneath, block, AND hit on the deep routes. Loved the guy. Good WRs with zero run attack doesn’t equal a lot of wins.
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BULLSEYE!
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100% to all of this
So when a QB has a great OC/HC and good team he gets pro bowls and wins playoff games. Check
When a QB goes to a poor team, with half the starting offense on IR the wins vanish. Check.
It’s no shocking surprise that Stafford is doing as good as Goff was before 2019. (When contrary to current thought, he was one of the best deep passers in accuracy and air yards)
And it’s no shocking surprise that Goff, in the middle of this shit show is struggling.
So perhaps the solution is to build the team and defense around Goff for now. I mean, I don’t mind if the Lions eventually replace him and I hope they do at some point. But it shouldn’t be a priority. We need CBs, S, LBs, WRs before we go chasing QB again.
Horse. Before. Cart. for once
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