Very few QBs in history have QB’d teams to a 30 point per game season… Goff did that at age 23, and then again at age 24 when they averaged 33 points per game… For comparison the Stafford Rams averaged 27 ppg game last year, and in his 12 years with the Lions… Stafford eclipsed 27 points once…
Goff brought us back against the Bears… he also brought us back against the Vikings, the Bills, and last year against the Vikings and Ravens off the top of my head, but each time we gave those teams the ball back with 30 seconds and our D folded…
I’m not sure how relevant “comeback” wins are… Since Brady has played 900 games and leads in everything by default… lets drop his name…
Other names in the top 10 are - Matt Ryan, Matt Stafford, Derek Carr, Andy Dalton, Ryan Tannehill, and Kirk Cousins…
I’m not saying Goff is elite… I’m saying he’s clearly proven he can help win playoff games, take teams to the playoffs and captain top 5 offenses…
If Burrow, Allen or Mahomes come available for the #3 pick… Let me know- I’ll sign off… If not don’t think we cut a team that is capable of winning 8 out of 10 NFL games off at the knees and assign them a rookie dwarf QB, and hope against logic it works out.
Manning had an absolutely brutal o-line at one time, after Tarik Glenn retired. He had 2 seconds to throw and he couldn’t create any more time with his legs. He consistently got rid of the ball in 1.5 seconds. Never seen so many 2 to 5 yard passes, the look on his face was constant disgust, but you know they were still winning games.
Was just using as an example honestly. Mike McDaniel This past offseason SAME thing no prior experience as a HC and a single year as a coordinator and he lands the Miami job and he is fairing pretty well with a questionable piece at QB.
It just seems like a trend every year a new young one is picked away and again I just wouldn’t be surprised is all I am saying especially considering the job Ben has done here with the offense.
Yeah, I was trying to find something to back up the earlier posters claim that JG had “the second fastest release in the NFL.” Something my eyes completely doubt as truth. I see things like this out there, which is like time in the pocket etc. Not a stopwatch time from beginning the throwing motion till the ball’s out. You would think with all these additional metrics, that one would be very important to measure. It’s like the LB who has great instincts vs a guy who is quicker/faster, but because he processes slower it completely wipes away the speed advantage. Release time is similar. If a guy has a big arm but takes forever to get it out, then guys can break on it. If a guy is mobile, but takes forever to throw, guys can catch up. Goff is a wind up guy, much like Philip Rivers was. I would never catagorize him as a quick release guy, let alone one of the very fastest. But I’m open to data if it’s out there.
7th in QB, 10th in rating with ARSB + DIDDLY to work with at the receiving positions all year. Jamo obviously not playing. Chark out or underperforming until this most recent game. Reynolds a “3rd” at best. Kennedy, Raymond… c’mon. I LOVE Jamaal Williams, but the guy is NOT a receiving back. Swift has been out or had a much reduced workload most of the year.
And Jared G is ranked 7th/10th of 32 and some of you are still yelping?! Absolutely astounding.
I tend to agree he is a wind up guy. He doesn’t have a crazy slow wind up, but not one of the fastest either. Rodgers and Garapalo have crazy quick flicks of the wrist and it makes them hard to sack. Goff gets rid of it quickly, especially early in the game. Coming from that spread offense in college, he had no OL and had to get rid in 2.7 seconds.
It’s still fairly quick on shorter <20 yard throws. It’s gets a lot longer when he is going deep and he really steps into it.
Look at the the slow lights by sandman of the last game. He was pretty quick throwing those outs to st brown but it wasn’t Rodgers quick. Look at the 41 yarder to Chark. Not slow but he completely winds up and steps into it.
For those that love Stafford kudos, Stafford almost never needed to step into a throw or wind up and he has a very quick sidearm when he needs it.
I’m not the biggest Goff fan but I don’t think you can compare him to Scott Mitchell who was a career backup that had one lucky year (Goff has already been to a SB and was a two time pro bowler before Mitchell even became a starter) and Case Keenum who is a career backup.
I know some won’t like this but I think he’s more comparable to Stafford than those guys in terms of career trajectory. #1 pick that struggled to start his career, became pro bowl level for a few years then hit a dip mid career before having a revival season in Year 7. It’s almost eerie how similar the trajectories are outside of Goff winning playoff games with a better team.
Not saying they are similar players but I don’t see why he can’t continue on the Stafford trajectory and be a borderline top 10 QB going forward especially with what the Lions are building around him. I wouldn’t rule it out because he has the pedigree and has proven that he can play at a high level.
Your post pretty much sums up why I think we will take a QB fairly early in this draft. The coaching staff and brass need to figure out WHO to give the credit to in this offense. Is this offense thriving because of Goff? Or is Goff just being a facilitator? Goff is fantastic in that role, IMO. Where he fails is when the play goes off track and he has to make a play. But how much is that skill set worth? How replaceable is Goff exactly? Is Goff a product of Johnson/Campbell’s offense? What happens if Johnson leaves? Will Goff regress? How easy is it to find a skill set close to what Goff is able to do here plus get a little more running and playmaking off schedule?
These are the sorts of questions they’ll be working through IMO. Because its not just evaluating Goff vs a rookie. Its about the whole picture. What the cap looks like with Goff vs a rookie and whether the team can move forward. What is Goff’s value to other teams. Is it at a high? Or whether Goff does his job and needs to be paid again.
