By far the biggest deal. If you look at Hoch’s stats/game played, he moves WAY up the list…he just misses a ton of games.
I like his talent and upside. Our coaches will gt his ceiling out of him, but if he’s always injured, they can’t do anything about that.
I feel like he’s gonna be a different animal…but an animal nonetheless. This dude will be a better deep threat than anyone sees coming (that’s what she said).
I think he has a ceiling of TE1, and a good one at that. I just think his biggest strength is the receiving Side of things.
Gonna be interesting to see how it shakes down, for sure.
Lions should see how he looks this year and how he fits into the rhythm of the offense. They have this year and next year on his rookie contract yet. And could always franchise tag him in 2024
I don’t understand the urgency with signing Hock this year, especially in the wake of Njoku signing. Will the market get even crazier? Contracts now or next year will be based on the same salary cap future, so that isn’t the issue, is it? Perhaps we value his contributions differently.
If Danimal Magnetism and a fair assessment of his worth keep silly numbers out of Hock’s head, sure, let’s do it after Brad says nyet seven times. I think the more prudent and flexible path is letting 2022 play out instead of going full-Snead and handing Hock a Goff-ish contract with 2 years of team control remaining. At some point, Brad will be back in the comp pick game and Hock could be a chip.
Hock is a good player. He’s young and is a player the lions drafted and developed. We won 3 games last year….I dont know how this team has enough talent in place to trade away one of our better young players.
Top 15.
But yeah, Lions fans aren’t real good at being “supporters”. Always looking for the GOAT and if you’re not the GOAT, hit the road.
64 years of futile thinking, I guess.
Definitely no urgency. If Hock is holding out for more than Njoku, that’s one thing, but I doubt it.
Yes, according to OTC, cap is projected at $225 (2023) and $256 (2024). And if it wasn’t for the pandemic in 2020 and 2021, those numbers would be much higher.
Every year media/fans are shocked by contracts, two years after, the contract looks reasonable or a bargain.
Kind of doubt it. TJ was overdrafted, but he is the type of TE that we need here.
You’ve got to lose more UFA’s than you get or you get nothing. I don’t see that happening any time soon and definitely not in 2024. At some point you have to try to win, might not be 2023, but probably 2024, so if you want a comp pick for TJ, that would be no big/semi-big UFA signings in 2024 . . . because that’s the only way you’re getting a comp pick for TJ.
Goff’s contract probably isn’t much, if any higher than what it should be. It’s 10th in the league and another third of the QB’s are still on their rookie contract. Carson Wentz’s contract (that is very similar to Goff) was traded for a 1st and 3rd to the Colts, then to Washington for two 3rd’s and I don’t think I’ve seen anyone value Wentz higher than Goff.
So if you want to call it a Goff extension or a Ragnow extension or a Howie Roseman special, they all fit, but whatever you call it, it’s better to extend TJ now than later.
That is true, but lets take a look at contracts as a % of cap.
Goff is sitting at 13%
Decker is coming in at 9%
ROkwara at 7%
Okudah, Brockers and Vaitai at 4% each, Ragnow at 3.5% and more than doubles next season.
Hock at 3% now and 4.5% next. Walker get 5% next season.
Those guys are half the cap. More in 23.
Paying Hock 15m+ is a 6% hit, 4th highest cap hit. Is TE the 4th most valuable spot on the team?
You can’t make the club sitting in the tub. Hock is still under team control for 2 possibly 3 more years on a tag. With his injury history and inconsistency I don’t even consider a extension until he plays a whole year and produces at a high level. This is going to be a big year for Hock.
I’m a big fan, but the one thing the Pat’s got right was getting rid of a guy before you got into a contract you didn’t want. I am a more of wait and see guy at this point, although with all due respect I totally get where Deadstroke is going with this.
I get your %, but I’m more of an APY guy, at least APY over likely length of contract.
Goff’s contract was 5%, 14%, 13%, 12%, but his value to the team is equal.
Decker’s contract was 4%, 2.5%, 9%, 8%, 7% and 1% Dead Money . . . but his value is equal.
% fits better into baseball contracts and it’s hard in the NFL where most contracts have a relatively low cap hit in year one and make up over the next few years.
APY fits better for me. Every contract on the Lions roster is designed to be played out (not saying they will, but they are designed that way). Except for Vaitai and Brockers (both jump $3M in cap and cash next year). And all the new ones have a low cap hit in year one and make up for it in year’s two through five.
But if you are looking at %'s, TJ will definitely be a low cap hit in year one of extension and likely year two (see Frank Ragnow’s 2020 (2.1%) and 2021 (3.5%)) . . . plus we will gain %'s when Vaitai and Brockers are cut next year.
