We are twinsies Woot : ) I agree: the Lions and Jared have a bright future. I am happy for him. He seems sooo happy (remember when McVay managed to isolate him… always on the bench alone looking down?). Love the coaches, the GM, and the players so much. It’s a proper team, which is rare as far as I can tell.
You may agree with me about another perk of switching from the Rams to the Lions: I wasn’t on any forums for the Rams as they were dull. Lions fans have heart. I am grateful for the switch.
Nah, I haven’t seen a “build a statue” for Goff sentiment here. I take a back seat to no one in my advocacy for Goff and I feel nothing like that, literally or figuratively. I certainly don’t think a playoff win - or several - is enough. I’m confident Jared Goff is a top-10 QB; I’m NOT confident he’ll be truly “elite” - a year-in, year-out top-5 guy. I think he can be, but that remains to be seen and, for me, it’ll take something like multiple years of 100+ ratings, several division titles, and deep playoff runs to earn that. But it CAN happen. Hopefully it will in Detroit.
Maybe some good points and I do think Goff continues to improve and is already very good.
Having said what you are saying comes across as an excuse for McVay trading Goff. McVay literally blamed all of the Rams offensive issues in 2019 and 2020 on Goff. In reality the team had serious issues on offense - poor running game, slow receivers, and some Oline issues. From what I have read I think you are right that McVay did also have problems with the way he ran the offense and coached/ handled his QB.
Some cool stats ideas for after we win our SB…
a Mount Rushmore replica with
our 4 best players heads
Hutch, Goff, JaMoss, Fox…with Dan Campbell standing behind them with his arms folded wearing a lions hat
something like that would be AWESOME to commemorate and have an emotional anchor moving forward. Sell small replicas of it to fans too.
Maybe one with Goff behind a mt Rushmore of RB & WRs? …behind oL?
II will say that in the early McVay years he also brought a culture change to the Rams that looked awesome from the outside: “we not me.” And it was meaningful. But I think the strength of any culture, certainly organizational culture, is only really tested under duress. And that only happened with the Rams in the wake of the Super Bowl loss and the injuries that followed the next year. Sean McVay is the one who crumpled, probably under the strain of being the “boy genius” who suddenly showed himself to be a control freak who couldn’t adjust when opposing coaches took away Plan A. And rather than truly face up to his own shortcomings he threw his QB under the bus. “We not me” proved pretty fragile!
Dan Campbell is a different story. The culture change he’s led was forged under duress. We got a glimpse of hope late last year and in the second half of this season, but he’s more than held them together.
I frequented one Rams forum as a fan. It was a pretty good forum, I must say. But the great majority of fans there followed McVay’s lead in turning on Goff. I’m glad to have found this new home for my fandom.
And I have to say: as easy as it is to root for this team and its personalities, it’s also VERY easy to root for the city of Detroit. Detroit and its fans deserve a winner.
I’ll second that. As well as the majority of the other Ram ppl that came over. Even when I disagree w/them, I appreciate their perspective that I could never see from.
ASB, Swaggy, Hutch, Goff…. With Fox and DC holding up the mountain on either side, and a Batman like logo of Holmes smoking a cigar in a sky lit hologram.
Agree to all of this. Guys who love each other and want to win… make football a year round journey for a ring. Guys who are aloof, indifferent, train and hang outside the team exclusively…. It’s hard to fake the passion through the aches, pains, etc. OBJ got a ring he didn’t deserve, but I think AD, Stafford, and Von willed it.
Stafford just plays a different style of ball. Very high-risk, high-reward type offense. That can work when you have a defense that can get you back the ball but IMHO I don’t think it would work on this Lions team.
The Rams signed Goff to a big contract and traded for Stafford. Mahomes or Lamar-like mobility was not high on the Rams (or the Lions) list of priorities. That’s a dead point. Thinking strictly football, McVay probably traded Goff for Stafford because of the fumbles and Stafford’s experience.
Goff plays conservative ball control offense when he can and takes shots in between. Basically Brees with more deep shots and play action.
Funny I’m seeing a lot of Brees to his game right now too. Also a 2nd team reclamation project with an awesome coaching staff.
Maybe that is why DC is so onboard with Goff. He watched watched Brees could do til age 39-40 with a two headed monster at RB, a few weapons, OL and D…. In it most every year. I’d sure accept a Brees and saints like run.
so it only works for come from behind, and doesn’t work when you have an actual OL & run game?
Make no mistake about it → Stafford would CRUSH IT here/now.
*note → he’s declining in health at this phase of his career.
Matt has had to lift the entire organization when here. Dan & Brad would LOVE a healthy Stafford.
That said, Goff is doing just fine & this is a moot conversation, cuz none of this is every gonna happen.
Closest comparison you can come to is if Favre was drafted by a shitty, shitty, shitty organization. Obviously, Matt is better at human-ing than Favre is (by light years), but as a player, that’s probably the closest comp.
Matt would have grown a TON more under these circumstances…just like every single other player on this team has. Houston, Hutch, Goff, Ra, etc, etc, etc. Matt would have grown AT LEAST as much. Matt is a very natural leader that has more “knee cap” mentality than most athletes.
Goff is doing great…Yes.
This has NOTHING to do with Stafford.