So we agree?
Carter 1A
Torrence 1B
Gibby 2A
Best CB 2B
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LOL - Holmes is gonna surprise us all.
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He’s Brad Holmes. It’s what he does.
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Witherspoon and Branch before Torrence for me. But I love Torrence as a plan C!
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Winners do what they want!
Winners win!
Shake’n’bake
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I truly doubt Carter is there….
That said…. I’m all over IOL early!!!
Funny thing is that if the Lions traded down from #6, and a 2nd…. Drafted Bijan and Torrence or Skoronski at #18…. Then grabbed a WR at #81 and a TE rd 5…. Yes they would have spend most of their resources on offense….
Our offense is our strength, and our OL is the foundation. Even my Goff-supporting ass knows he needs to stay on schedule… that said- watching Mahomes in 20’, Burrow the last 2 years, and Stafford this year kind off indicates all QBs need to be upright!
Bijan > Swift
Torrence >>>>>> Big V or Brown
AT Perry = Chark
- that’s less than 11M AAV to really refuel the offense, and either OL guy should be able to play LG or RG…
We’d be left with our current 2 second rounders and the one we’d get from Carolina (#61)
If we asked our top draft gurus (Thats2, Curious, others) to give us a DT, LB, and SS in round 2….
D Henley
Sydney Brown
K Benton
- add Cam Sutton and Marcus Peters in FA
Isn’t that enough help on defense if we really bolster the offense?
Let’s not ignore- Swaggy is 28, and a free agent… Swift is one year left and unreliable…. Big V is 30, expensive, and really unreliable, Chark is a free agent, Jackson has 1 year left at LG, Raymond and Reynolds have one year left……
Not to mention Goff isn’t extended, Decker is 30 this year, and has 2 years left….
Goff, ASB, Sewell, Jamo, Ragnow, Decker- that’s our offense with 2 years left…
When you consider there doesn’t seem to be defenders worth taking early in 1 this year, and there might be super elite offensive players, it’s worth considering.
- wanting an 8-10 sack DT who can defend the run, and there being one are two different things…. Very different. Wanting a shutdown press man corner with NFL size and speed, and there being one are also very different….
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I think he is very much in play for the Lions. I believe we will add an OG and RB from this draft and the rest will likely go on Defense if possible.
I firmly believe the Lions want to build the strongest OL at all possible. Goff is best when he’s got a solid pocket in front of him and OG has been a weak link on our OL. I expect them to address it this offseason.
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I have a question if you need a position an the best at that position is sitting right there why would you take some other position .
With this idea of value. Now I understand why you don’t when yo don’t need a position.
But if he is the best OG an we need a OG why would you pass on him ?
We need CB help so lets say we have one take already an just maybe we get a UFA but miss on UFA OG why wouldn’t we take him at 18 ?
I have problem with this value can’t take OG that early crap we we pass on him an another team takes him few picks later explain the why thats OK
First worry about players when its time as a fan. One season at a time . I have seen many comments about how GB will rebuild this season an they are going into cap hell. They are just one example of problems teams have with cap.
Jonah Jackson he is main UFA 2024 that I would say is a must to get back an we can do that. Swift he is not likely to be back the rest either one year deals or short term time is done.
You post as if we will not keep a Decker of Goff or Rag not sure why you think that? You know when they come up for new deal the amount they were paid the last year of contract comes off the books.
One example based on cap right now. $19,100,000 Decker in 2024. He will be 32 lets say he is still playing at close to his top level an wants to continue You think he will want same I doubt it he may take half an be swing backup . We have no idea how he will play in couple years if he wants to keep playing that goes for Rag also You list Rag he is UFA in 2027 an your worried now?
Lets deal with are team one season at a time . I know you do a lot of work but if you want to look ahead start in September. When you know who we have.
I like Torrence but I think other teams will value him more than we will. He is very good at setting the pocket, man up run blocking, and even pulling into cross line traps. What he doesn’t do well is get to the 2nd level and get a LB or DB. He is just not very good in space. Our run schemes for a RG are usually a double team at the point of attack and then slip to the 2nd level and take out the LB. It’s a basic scheme that the Browns run well but the key is having guards that get to the 2nd level. This is why I value Skoronski so high as I’m sure other teams do also. because he can engage in space.
This o line we have built is addicting. It is the first time I have seen the Lions build such a dominant o line. The results are pretty impressive based upon how our offense did last year. I would not be mad at continuing to build the o line. I know it isn’t flashy, but having a stout o line makes such a massive difference.
I really am starting to believe the old saying of games are won and lost in the trenches.
I get the Bijan hype. I also would love to have him, I am a sucker for a good RB. I am so torn on that pick at 18. Guess we gotta just see how the draft plays out.
P.S. I have full faith in Holmes and Dorsey to make the right decision.
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100%, bro. Trenches first, man!
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No I’m not worried about Decker in 2 years or Ragnow in 2027….
I’m worried JJackson will want 13M plus per year, and I’m not paying that…. If we are going to pay him, then they should do it now…. Glasgow got 11M APY three years ago… Big V was like a partial 1 year starter he got 9M APY, and Scherff just got north of 16M APY over 30 years of age….
Last time we were in the spot we kind of knew Suh was gonna want to break the bank, and Fairley wasn’t getting a long term deal… Suh basically said he was leaving, and a month before the draft we chose not to pickup Fairley’s 5th year option.
Right now we’ve got a solid OG on a 1 year and a 30,yr old RG coming off back surgery, and he’s missed 25 of his last 50 games.
- does that sound all set at OG?
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They shouldn’t pay him IMO. Both Tackles and Ragnow get the money on the OLine. The guards have to be rinse and repeat as long as those three are here. The line will always be good as long as those three play at a high level. I don’t think it’s smart to pour another big contract into that unit.
A TON of big contracts coming down the pipe in the next couple years. Can’t keep all our good players if we want to keep our franchise guys.
Hutch, Sewell, ARSB…that’s 60m AAV right there minimum. Gotta let guys like Jonah go.
Then why you keep bring it up? I never said set at OG We will need a ROG this season if its a healthy Big V fine on a reduced cap hit. If not the draft or sign a top end OG.
We have Jackson this year an worry about resigning him later.
One season at a time sound quality moves if its resigning or UFAs or draft
Lol over 3000 snaps and only one time they touch his QB. I think the arm chair scouting is a little lacking on this one. He is very comparable Hali witch most of you don’t like but the staff really does. I think he is who they been looking at in Florida.
“Torrence is the only four-year starter we have ever scouted that has never surrendered a single sack during his entire career. What makes this even more special is the fact he has played over 3000 snaps!”
SCOUTING REPORT: SUMMARY
Torrence is a ridiculous guard prospect, he’s a man mountain with off-the-scale power as a drive blocker and well-developed skills as a pass protector. We assumed that once he transferred to Florida he’d be unable to reproduce his play at the next level, we were seriously wrong as he continued to dominate as a run blocker while not allowing a single sack in pass protection.
Torrence is an outstanding pro prospect who will quickly make an impact in the pro game and ultimately we see him as showing pro-bowl potential. It’s a shame he wasn’t played at tackle in college (given his measurables) as he’d likely be viewed as a top-five selection. As a guard we still expect him to be an easy first-round selection in the 2023 NFL Draft.
Im all for building the trenches.offense and defense
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I get the thinking behind this and wouldn’t be totally pissed if they took him, BUT…
Out offense goes from what 5 to 3 and scores another point per game? We need help on defense at some point and pick 18 is where we get it rather than an OG that we can get in the 2nd round
Now the reason I say I wouldn’t be totally pissed is because this would be a long term pick and not a win in 2023 pick. Yes we would be better but you would know Holmes is going to build for a consistent winner by stock piling the trenches