*** The Official We Need to Draft JSN Thread ***

I assert that you cannot compare Smith-Njigba to Jefferson. They are different players and had difference college experiences. I also assert - with evidence - that Jefferson had superior measurables, and superior breadth of experience.

And again, no one expected Jefferson to become the receiver he is. Just like ARSB. These guys are wired differently. Has nothing to do with physical traits or college production. If JSN joins them then good for him, but there is no way to predict he will become that type of player.

Sort of like JSN. Who was hurt all the time last year.

Of course our staff loves injured guys so that might work in his favor

I’m fine with that gamble. He’ll be a useful piece if he can ever stay healthy.

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I’m not comparing JSN to Jefferson as a player. I’m saying that Jefferson’s elite production was also in the slot. I just don’t believe that a player not being asked to do something is proof that he cannot. I think both St. and JSN could bounce inside and outside with little trouble.

Not really. Not at all. Michael Wilson hasn’t had an injury free year since before the pandemic.

Nobody is trying to say that JSN is a sure fire too five player in the league (though I do think he has superstar upside). The point is that concerns that Jefferson’s elite production was tethered to him playing out of the slot is likely one reason that he fell and created obscene value for the Vikings.

If that happens again someone is going to get an amazing value with JSN as well. Personally I don’t think it happens.

I think he’s a likely too 12 pick.

a lot of these WR’s are short 6ft or less : Flowers , Hyatt , JSN , Addison , Downs , Boutte , Mims , Scott , Reed , Washington , Palmer , Dell , Davis, Bell , Jones , Cropper

OVER 6 ft:
A. Dontayvion Wicks-6’2
B. AT Perry- 6’4
C. Cedric Tillman-6’3
D. Jonathan Mingo-6’2
E. Quentin Johnston-6’4
F. Rashee Rice-6’1
G.Elijah Higgins-6’3
H.Dontay Demus Jr-6’3
I.Xavier Hutchingson-6’2
J. Puka Nacua-6’2
K. Jadon Hasselwood-6’2
L.Michael Jefferson-6’4
M. Joseph Ngata-6’3

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I don’t think they’re the exact same guy but the relevance is that the knock on Jefferson was that he was slot only, just like it is for JSN. For a different reason - Jefferson played plenty outside and was meh, he didn’t blow up until they moved him to the slot - but it’s the same knock.

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Was he? He had about 30% of the total receiving production from the outside in '18, and about the same from the slot in '19. The difference was volume (and Chase). From what you posted it looks like lazy analysis from PFF, only looking at '19.

This is why junior Justin Jefferson, who led the Tigers with 54 catches for 875 yards and six touchdowns in 2018, has moved from the wide positioning to the inside slot receiver.

“We’re going to throw you the ball inside,” Brady told Jefferson. “We want you right there, and you’re one of our main guys, so get the job done.”

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“So they wanted me to go inside to give us an inside look,” Jefferson said. “It will be different routes, but mainly the difference is going against the safeties instead of a cornerback. For us as receivers, it’s easier to go against safeties than a cornerback.”
https://www.theadvertiser.com/story/sports/college/lsu/2019/08/23/lsu-offense-going-crazy-says-receiver-justin-jefferson/2094927001/

Jefferson is a true X who happens to play the slot equally as well. Johnston reminds me of Jefferson. If Johnston and improve the way he catches the ball and his drops, he’s going to be deadly with the right coaches and team.
If I’m not mistaken the great calvin johnson had lots of drops in college and the early part of his NFL career. Herman Moore went through the same thing

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“Jefferson failed to stand out as an outside target but saw his stock soar with a monster season from the slot.”

From a Vikings article about why everyone missed on Jefferson:

"“Dominated the Slot…”

Oh, yes, the insult thrown at pre-2019 Stefon Diggs is in full effect here. A “slot” guy was the most boisterous criticism of Jefferson’s skill set before he joined the NFL. He played alongside oodles of talent in LSU, so folks presumed he was maybe an overhyped slant sultan. Wrong.

This one was cooked up by Bleacher Report. And again, in fairness, sometimes players just rapidly improve or mature. Such was the case with Jefferson.

Matt Miller of Bleacher Report wrote this of Jefferson’s potential shortcomings:• Dominated from the slot in an offense loaded with offensive weapons in 2019.Tape makes you question his ability to create space on his own.Almost no experience against press coverage.Drops show up a decent amount on his tape, enough to be a concern.

Jefferson led the entire NFL in 25+ yard receptions in 2020. That’s right – more than deep-ball artists like Tyreek Hill, DeAndre Hopkins, and D.K. Metcalf. Jefferson grabbed 16 catches of 25 yards or more.

If this is the prognosis of slot-only pass-catchers, well, more men should focus on slot assignments in college. It bodes well for NFL performance. Deep-ball prowess was no problem for Jefferson in 2020. He flat-out stretched the field."

Plus the PFF guys all thought he was slot only. It was a very common refrain due to his meh-ness outside.

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Right.

Didn’t consider the entire season he played outside.

Are we really relying on BleacherReport and PFF for expert analysis? What does PFF say about JSN versus press coverage in 2022?

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and again, he’s a true unicorn. You can’t compare anyone to him. If anyone had projected him where he is he would have been the 2nd or 3rd overall pick. The Vikings would have moved half their draft to go up and get him.

And NFL.com, and pretty much every scouting report you can find brings it up. It was absolutely a knock on Jefferson. ESPN, PFF, nfl.com, all over the place. Here’s more:

Weaknesses: While Jefferson projects to come off the board as early as the first round, he does enter the NFL with some questions. The biggest of which might be tied to his release off the line of scrimmage: Jefferson rarely faced press-man coverage in 2019, and oftentimes won by exploiting holes in defensive zone concepts. He will need to adjust to this at the next level and become more effective with his steps when going against defensive backs who try to get grabby with him early in his routes.

In general, he has shown that he can get re-routed too easily at times when challenged on his patterns and needs to use his outside arm to disengage. He may have to add more mass to his frame to help in this regard. Jefferson also offers only limited deep-threat abilities at this point in his career. While he tested well at the combine by running a 4.43 40-yard-dash, his production beyond the 20-yard range was limited in part due to his inability to shake free on 9-routes and similar assignments.

What would be his role? Jefferson spent most of his time at LSU in the slot and proved to be a hyper-productive player from this alignment as well as the top target for expected number one overall draft pick Joe Burrow. Looking at the next level, he is therefore expected to play a similar role: Jefferson could see some snaps as a perimeter receiver due to his size and physicality, but will probably primarily work as a big slot in the mold of Mohamed Sanu — and potentially serve as an upgrade over last year’s trade acquisition further down the line. After all, Jefferson combines some crafty route running with one of the best pairs of hands in the class.

Even the guys who loved him hedged their bets on slot vs. outside.

"I’d like to see him keep his role as a slot-hybrid who earns a heavy target volume and gets plum matchups in the vertical game. Jefferson has the Football IQ to produce in this role.

We’ll see if he earns the system fit and the quarterback to maximize this potential. If not, he still has the goods to produce as strictly a perimeter option, but the upside might take longer to reach and the target volume will be lower."

That is literally me going down the list of scouting reports from a google search. The truth is everyone thought Jefferson had question marks outside, might be slot only, and they were all wrong. That doesn’t mean the same thing will happen with JSN (though I personally would bet on it), but it explains why the comp is relevant.

The fact that he was not afforded a lot of reps against press does not mean he can’t do it. And there are a few examples of him beating press in 2021. He also clearly has an elite physical tool that translates to him being a player that is able to beat press man.

IMO he won’t even see a lot of press even if he’s out wide. The quickness is too sublime and his technique is too refined. Press him and he’ll roast you.

I love him because like St. he’s going to be able to consistently win early in his reps, he’s going to be a separator and he’s going to catch virtually everything and be a YAC threat thereafter. That’s a wonderful combination in terms of being able to dominate possession of the ball.

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This is a really great interview. The Anthony Richardson stuff is early on and pretty
much vibes with how I feel about him. Can he master the mundane?.

@HSVLion this is similar to what has already been reported but Klay at 9:30 says that Wilson, Olave and Hartlines all told him in 2021 that JSN was the best player on the entire team.

Good watch/listen IMO.

I mean I don’t think that’s a horrible take. Nobody on defense is in consideration. 2022 Stroud runs circles around 2021 Stroud. Marvin wasn’t playing yet. Paris Johnson was out of position.

If you think JSN was the best of the receivers then yeah I think he was also the best on the team.

What a sweet kid. Parents clearly raised him the right way.

JSN is represented by the red line. He’s the single most dominant first down producer among recent high end college WRs prospects.

Marvin Mims is represented by the blue line and once again advanced metrics point to him being severely underrated. Won’t surprise me to see a analytics based team pop him much earlier than most expect.

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Are they the only 2 WRs from this year’s class who made the list? Probably so, probably so. (/s)

Parker Washington might end up being a steal

PFF certainly loves him. Or Mike does, and I guess he’s leaving PFF so maybe I should just say that.

I assume Mike’s going to The Ringer. Putting that Spotify money to use.